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Re: Warbling vinyl
« Reply #14 on: July 17, 2004, 08:49:34 AM »
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Re: Warbling vinyl
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Re: Warbling vinyl
« Reply #16 on: July 17, 2004, 12:33:08 PM »
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Re: Warbling vinyl
« Reply #17 on: July 17, 2004, 01:14:42 PM »
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Re: Warbling vinyl
« Reply #18 on: July 17, 2004, 01:15:29 PM »
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Re: Warbling vinyl
« Reply #19 on: July 17, 2004, 03:27:52 PM »
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It's a complete fallacy that CD audio is clean. Aliasing is detectable on the upper fringe of human hearing (for original signals of 22kHz+) and the dynamic range is not too great either. However, on most systems you'll never notice. On a state of the art setup (including the laser turntable), vinyl completely kicks CD's a*se...


You forget that the Speed at which the Record rotates and the size of the stylus limits the highest frequency that can be recorded on Vinyl. Vinyl sux just as much as CDs do in the recorded quality, but they also suffer from far more physical problems (re this thread :-D) too...

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Re: Warbling vinyl
« Reply #20 on: July 17, 2004, 08:52:18 PM »
Have any connoisseurs of high technology here heard DVD-Audio yet?
 

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Re: Warbling vinyl
« Reply #21 on: July 17, 2004, 09:11:43 PM »
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Have any connoisseurs of high technology here heard DVD-Audio yet?


Of course :-)

And yes it is vastly superior to CD's, especially on a good system (Expensive Amp and Speakers).

-Edit- Mixing a song using 24bit @96Khz give you some much more headroom that CD-Audio that it makes life musch easier, similar to what it was like on Analog mixing boards.

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Re: Warbling vinyl
« Reply #22 on: July 19, 2004, 06:55:29 PM »
Yep im with bloodline, vinyl sucks. I sell it. It's {bleep}. Those who praise vinyl have never had to file as much of the stuff as i have clearly.
 

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Re: Warbling vinyl
« Reply #23 on: July 20, 2004, 01:56:23 AM »
Records make for better symphonic recordings by and large.  The additional warmth that is often present makes it preferred for most audiophiles when dealing with certain recording situations.

In the end, all recording formats are limited, and vinyl and CD are both very good at different things.

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audio is not compressed at the middle of a record, there is simply less room for information because the rotational speed doesn't change...or did I misunderstand your question?
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Re: Warbling vinyl
« Reply #24 on: July 20, 2004, 09:34:01 PM »
What I meant was that since the outside of the disc moves a lot faster than the inside, that physically each second of audio occupies a shorter distance on the groove. So if you played the groove linear somehow, it would steadily increase in pitch. That would account for the varying pitch where the groove isn't concentric with the centre hole.

Um, that's if I'm right. My head hurts, I'm not sure, heh. :-)
 

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Re: Warbling vinyl
« Reply #25 on: July 21, 2004, 04:55:15 AM »
Vinyl would be perfect if it were sealed in a container like a hard disk to keep it dust free... Analog recording beats digital sampling any day.

But who really cares anyway? If you're playing it as loud as you're supposed to, NO ONE can tell!
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Re: Warbling vinyl
« Reply #26 on: July 22, 2004, 12:27:01 AM »
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What I meant was that since the outside of the disc moves a lot faster than the inside, that physically each second of audio occupies a shorter distance on the groove. So if you played the groove linear somehow, it would steadily increase in pitch. That would account for the varying pitch where the groove isn't concentric with the centre hole.

Um, that's if I'm right. My head hurts, I'm not sure, heh. :-)


Oh, I get what you're talking about now.  

Yes, record players use CAV (Constant Angular Velocity). The needle has to travel a greater distance at the edge than it does near the center, because of this the linear velocity is different depending on the location of the needle, hence the throughput is different too.  

So YES, if a record is stamped off-center, it will sound all sorts of warbly-messed up because the throughput changes irregularly as the needle moves closer and farther away from the center, instead of smoothly closer the way the a properly centered record would.
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Re: Warbling vinyl
« Reply #27 on: July 22, 2004, 02:05:27 AM »
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But who really cares anyway? If you're playing it as loud as you're supposed to, NO ONE can tell!


don't forget the warmth issue though.  Symphonic recordings usually sound better on a record no contest.
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Re: Warbling vinyl
« Reply #28 on: July 22, 2004, 09:32:26 PM »
I find myself sitting on the fence really with the analogue/digital debate. I remember the first time I heard vinyl on a good system, my uncle had this big Pioneer system. This is when those standalone cabinet hi-fis were still the norm, and I'd grown up with the hype about CD's superiority. I just thought vinyl was supposed to sound like crap, and it blew me away.

So while I never became an audiophile (in fact the most time I get to listen to music these days is on the move... in mp3) it's still an interest. (My vinyl collection's pretty small though.)

This is why DVD-Audio (and SACD) interests me, although I can't help thinking, what if they had waited a little while longer and gone for an even higher resolution? I hope they left the door open for higher bitrates in those formats, anyway.

I don't like the encryption though.

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Re: Warbling vinyl
« Reply #29 from previous page: July 22, 2004, 09:38:43 PM »
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So while I never became an audiophile (in fact the most time I get to listen to music these days is on the move... in mp3) it's still an interest. (My vinyl collection's pretty small though.)
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I must say this format gives quite a satisfying clear sound
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