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OS4 Pre-release has arrived!
« on: July 12, 2004, 06:10:36 PM »
Needless to say, I don't think I'll be around much for the next few days :-)

Wiping Linux off the drive was a VERY satisfying feeling. :-D

Hope other Amigans get their copies soon!
 

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Re: OS4 Pre-release has arrived!
« Reply #1 on: July 12, 2004, 06:14:34 PM »
superb,
that`s really cool...

You need to keep us upto date though, with how you progress...
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Re: OS4 Pre-release has arrived!
« Reply #2 on: July 12, 2004, 06:18:20 PM »
I want one too. :-(

Come on, where's that micro-A1 already!? :-)
 

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Re: OS4 Pre-release has arrived!
« Reply #3 on: July 12, 2004, 06:26:46 PM »
Well, I've already hit a snag. Installation seemed to go very well, but now UBoot can't get the SLB going. I'm assuming I screwed something up with the Media Toolbox when I was configuring the drive. Back to the install CD...
 

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Re: OS4 Pre-release has arrived!
« Reply #4 on: July 12, 2004, 06:34:42 PM »
Hum,
does that mean you have to  flash your eprom?
 

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Re: OS4 Pre-release has arrived!
« Reply #5 on: July 12, 2004, 06:50:18 PM »
Ha ha, stupid user error! Forgot to set DH0: to bootable :oops:
 

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Re: OS4 Pre-release has arrived!
« Reply #6 on: July 12, 2004, 08:04:18 PM »
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Matt_H wrote:
Ha ha, stupid user error! Forgot to set DH0: to bootable :oops:


Heh, I did that once...  (only once ;-))
Time to move on.  Bye Amiga.org.  :(
 

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Re: OS4 Pre-release has arrived!
« Reply #7 on: July 12, 2004, 08:11:57 PM »
I had the "Pre-Released version" of Amiga OS 4 about a year ago.  What took so long for you to get yours?!   :roll:
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Re: OS4 Pre-release has arrived!
« Reply #8 on: July 12, 2004, 08:18:27 PM »
hum,
Matt_H isn`t a Time-Lord like you..?

But i suppose like a vintage wine he may have been savouring/saving it for a rainy day...


[the DH0: boot seems like a common mistake - any others out there?]




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Re: OS4 Pre-release has arrived!
« Reply #9 on: July 12, 2004, 09:42:43 PM »
@BoingBoss

Wasn't that covered in another thread? Where exactly did you get it? Are you a beta tester? Pirate? I think in the other thread it was determined that your copy was not what was just released, which only just went gold.
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Re: OS4 Pre-release has arrived!
« Reply #10 on: July 13, 2004, 12:24:53 AM »
I'm going to choose to ignore BoingBoss's post and move straight into my impressions so far. I am in no way a developer, so this all comes from a User's perspective.

The system is very stable. So far, I have not any any lockups. I've had a few Guru's caught by the GrimReaper, but the system stayed up. Reboot time is on par with, maybe slightly faster, than my A4000T. It's slower than my A600 and A1200 because those are essentially out-of-the-box OS3.1 and OS3.9 installs (there's nothing to load that would lengthen boot times).

CD drivers are now integrated into the system, like on the CD32, and CD drives are now bootable without any extra software tricks. Unfortunately, this means that if you leave the prerelease CD in the drive during a reboot, you'll be greeted with the Locale prefs and will need to pop out the CD and reboot once more. There are no longer CDx icons in DEVS:DOSDrivers. There are some CDRW/DVD+/-RW icons in SYS:Storage:DOSDrivers, but I'm not sure what they're for. My best guess is that they're part of the MountRanier CD-as-Floppy-type-device package.

I circumvented the IBrowse prefs problem by downloading the new Preferences immediately after installing IBrowse. I was a little upset by the fact that the default Icon installed for IBrowse was from MagicWB, but it was easily replaced with one from the CD (It looks just like the Icon for SYS:Internet under WB3.5/3.9)

Speaking of Internet, I'm quite confused by RoadShow. SYS:Internet on OS4 contains icons for "New Connection," 'Open Connection," and "Edit Connection," and no documentation (that I've found). New Connection brings up a Wizard to create a net connection, Open Connection brings up an ASL requester for files with a #?.conn pattern in an empty subdirectory (I haven't figured out what this is for yet). I eventually got something out of New Connection, but an output window appeared telling me that it had failed. A ping command from the Shell said otherwise; I'm now posting this from IBrowse in OS4, but a lot of network protocols don't seem to be working: I can't get anything from Aminet and I can't access my router. Getting Samba running is days away, at best. There's also a docky that's supposed to allow you to go quickly online and offline, but it doesn't seem to do anything. AmiTradeCenter doesn't work either. It gives a requester saying "Cannot open [garbage text]" and sometimes Gurus. I'll be investigating this thoroughly, as I had intended to FTP all my important files from my A4000T to my AmigaOne

In terms of bells and whistles, resolutions below 800x600 are complete garbage on my Radeon. It may be my crummy monitor, but I suspect this is the not-completely-fixed bug with the Radeon driver that caused the prerelease's delay earlier this year. I'm not too fond of the default OS4 Theme - Red text on a nearly-white background in all Reacation requesters isn't very appealling to me. I never used VisualPrefs or FullPalette much in the past, so adjusting to the OS4 GUI prefs and controls will be a bit tough for me. As a suggestion: A small preview window to show what the configured GUI looks like (so there's no need to hit "Use" every time you want to check something) would be nice. There's a preview button, but it doesn't seem to do anything. I'd also like to see an Iconify button built into all Workbench windows, not just certain Apps. There's an iconify commodity on the CD that can force a window to Iconify with a keystroke, but something clickable with the mouse would be nice.

As others have mentioned, the Workbench title window is now quite customizable. You can display free RAM, the OS version, the Processor installed, your GFX board, or even make it quote the first few lines of Hamlet, if you want. It's quite boring by default - the same as in OS2.x+, but it looks especially strange to see emulated Chip RAM in identical quantities with Fast RAM. Some improved defaults would be nice - like the ones in IntuitionBase's tips section.

I have 512MB of RAM in my AmigaOne, and about 124MB displayed on bootup. That means that OS4 is far more memory intensive than I thought, or it's not quite reporting things correctly. Still, that's more RAM than I ever had in my Classic machines, and I've got well over half a gigabyte free if virtual RAM is included.

ENV: is completely different with OS4. No longer is it a subdirectory of RAM:, but an entirely new device on its own, like RAM:, PAR:, or SER: from the Classic era. This had me very confused for a while, and I even went as far as to add Makedir RAM:ENV commands to my Startup-sequence (they're gone now).

MUI is installed by default, and is fully PPC native with a new Prefs program (It's slightly more user-friendly now). The option to dock menus with MUI windows (like in MorphOS) is present as well. There's also a new option to add a Screen Jump button to the titlebar of an MUI window. It was a bit bizarre to find MUI and ReAction/GadTools configured completely different in terms of appearance - I had expected they were to look similar. Maybe in the full release? I recall reading something about a way to quickly configure MUI to the ReAction look, but I don't really remember.

I haven't really tested anything CPU intensive to check speed yet, but the system is responsive, and the emulated P96 is faster than my CV3D under CGX in Zorro3 mode with an 060 for use in Workbench/IBrowse, etc. Blanker seemed to choke a bit, and that had me worried. Blanker now has monitor powersaving functionality built-in.

OS4 is the most difficult from-scratch Install I've ever had to do on an Amiga - there are a lot of staples from the classic era that are missing. There's no ShowConfig, and no LhA (Unarc and xad/xfd are present, but I prefer the Click-m-Click method of extraction in DOpus4).

To close, my thanks and congratulations to Hyperion & co. for bringing this to market. AmigaOS is in excellent hands, and I know the bugs will be ironed out in time for the main release. Criticisms aside, this is AmigaOS, and if you haven't used a next-generation Amiga system yet, you won't regret it.

Oh, and for the record, my copy of the prelrease arrived in the mail at about 11:46 AM on Monday, July 12, from SoftHut.
 

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Re: OS4 Pre-release has arrived!
« Reply #11 on: July 13, 2004, 12:45:23 AM »
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Reboot time is on par with, maybe slightly faster, than my A4000T. It's slower than my A600 and A1200 because those are essentially out-of-the-box OS3.1 and OS3.9 installs (there's nothing to load that would lengthen boot times).


how many seconds? What extra things (utilities, commodities etc) do you load on boot?
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Re: OS4 Pre-release has arrived!
« Reply #12 on: July 13, 2004, 07:31:29 AM »
Cold booting takes about 1 minute from the moment UBoot starts displaying text to when Workbench is fully loaded. A warm reboot takes about 20 seconds. These times will presumably decrease once the DMA driver is done. Even without DMA, the system is still very fast.

Some followups to before:

I'm having some trouble with the graphics card, though. The system seems to have stopped automounting it, and once I've blindly mounted the Monitor manually through the mess of the corrupted/buggy Radeon display, I need to switch to a 32bit mode before I can succesfully use my preferred 16bit one.

Roadshow is still confusing. I had created a partially working interface with the included Wizard, and then tried the same thing again from scratch and got a slightly more functional one (no error messages). I still can't access my router - and I can't download files from Aminet! That's going to be a serious problem!

AddNetInterfaces seems to automount net connections from the startup-sequence... but why then does the connection wizard want to put an AddNetInterfaces command into user-startup? It seems redundant...

Got AmiTradeCenter working somehow. I don't know what I did differently, but it works now.
MooVId 1.6 68k does not work in a useable way.
RiVA works, but anything below version .50 will suffer from Radeon driver-related screen corruption problems with low-res movies. It also seems to hang at the end of a clip. Despite being 68k, it's very fast.
Amplifier works perfectly with OS4 native mpega.library, though it's probably best not to copy over a config file from a 3.9 system - if your default MP3 directory doesn't exist, the ASL requester will hang looking for it.
Scout barely works. identify.library generated several Gurus, and most of the functions of the program don't work on the new, non-custom hardware. I hope it will be updated, though.
KeyShow, believe it or not, has been updated with a higher-resolution keyboard image. I never understood the purpose of that program.

Public Screens seem to be suffering from some palette problems. I don't know if this is a bug or a configuration inconsistency, but it means I'm stuck with an 8-color DOpus screen, unless I want to be bombarded with Neon green instead of the normal blue window color.

More updates to follow tomorrow.
 

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Re: OS4 Pre-release has arrived!
« Reply #13 on: July 13, 2004, 10:08:55 AM »
Some things to do to speed up booting times can be found here: http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=5445&forum=14&20

Good targets for AOS4dev/pre:
Cold boot 38 seconds
Warm boot ~12 seconds

Update:
Explanation for things like: "I have 512MB of RAM in my AmigaOne, and about 124MB displayed on bootup." can be found @ amigaworld.net .
(there was a bug that was avoided by limiting the available memory, bug is now fixed and the limitation is gone, but it was done a few days later than AOS4devpre gold CD ... etc...)
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