More desktop Prometheus pictures! Single slot, video card only.

[redrumloa]

$219 for a Cybervision is the new price

New or refurbished? No idea. Considering how many years it's been since they were made I'd be suprised if it was new.

how much does a Virge/Voodoo 3 cost new/retail?

Good luck finding a new Voodoo 3 card. I see Virge and Permedia II cards for $5-$10 each new at computer shows. You won't walk into a major retailer and find them on the shelf, just like Amiga stuff but it is easier to find than Amiga stuff.

Still even asuming the CV64-3D is new, so what? The Prometheus is brand new. I could bundle brand new S3 virge cards with it and still sell for less than $219. The Prommy would have future expansion options, the CV64-3d doesn't.

Average price in the US is ~$150.

For a used card on eBay, knock yourself out.

[adolescent]

How about one of these?

[redrumloa]

Have you tried using a taller PCI right angle adapter in the 1st slot, and a short one in the 2nd?

Yes, and if you read at the beginning of this thread I mentioned i would be taking more pictures today;-)

The PCITX4-6 is not tall enough to clear the PCITX4-5, but I have another that does.

[redrumloa]

adolescent wrote:
How about one of these?

Waaay ahead of you. Doesn't work for a number of reasons.

[adolescent]

redrumloa wrote:
New or refurbished? No idea. Considering how many years it's been since they were made I'd be suprised if it was new.

Could say the same thing about the Prommy.

Still even asuming the CV64-3D is new, so what? The Prometheus is brand new. I could bundle brand new S3 virge cards with it and still sell for less than $219. The Prommy would have future expansion options, the CV64-3d doesn't.

$219 for just a video card is crazy.  You mention future expansion options, but if you're blocking the other 3 slots then they're are none.  If you can figure out how to free up at least the second slot (and not block more Z3 slots) then it would be a better deal.  

For a used card on eBay, knock yourself out.

Exactly, was just commenting on your "apples to oranges" comparison.  Compare new-new or used-used.  

[redrumloa]

Could say the same thing about the Prommy.

Considering I own the entire existing stock of Prometheus boards, I think I know if they are new or used. You could say otherwise but it would jusy be an untrue smear.

If you can figure out how to free up at least the second slot (and not block more Z3 slots) then it would be a better deal.

What other 3? the PCI? As I mentioned several times in this thread, and previous threads there will be a 2 slot desktop kit. 2 PCI slots will block 2 zorro slots on an A4000D, and will block 3 zorro slots on an A3000d.

xactly, was just commenting on your "apples to oranges" comparison. Compare new-new or used-used.

Ok show me where to find brand new CV64-3D cards in the US for $150.

[Ilwrath]

Would one of these Passive 3 PCI slot riser cards work?  Looks like it should fit in an A4000D, leaving the bottom Zorro/Video slot open....  :-)

About the exact configuration I'd want... But would it work, electronically?

[redrumloa]

@Ilwrath

It would almost certainly work electrically, but the case would not close on an Amiga 4000D. The Voodoo 3 is too wide.

Amiga3000D OTOH would close (but would probably block all 4 zorro slots)

[adolescent]

redrumloa wrote:

xactly, was just commenting on your "apples to oranges" comparison. Compare new-new or used-used.

Ok show me where to find brand new CV64-3D cards in the US for $150.

Not what I said.  You were comparing a used video card to a new video card.  That is not apples to apples.  Used prices the CV would be comparable, with the advantage of other slots availble.  New, yours would definately be cheaper, but would criple future expansion.

[redrumloa]

Sigh..

adolescent wrote:
 but would criple future expansion.

How so?

[Ilwrath]

It would almost certainly work electrically, but the case would not close on an Amiga 4000D. The Voodoo 3 is too wide.

really?  I didn't think my Voodoo 3 3000 PCI was that wide...  Of course I tossed it in the closet a year and a half ago, or so, after testing it.  (Picked it up at the local swap for $5, I think...  Was always thinking ahead to holding onto it in case I ever got a PCI miggy.  I'm a bargain-hunter pack-rat.  ;-) )

What's the distance from the Zorro edge of the Prommy to the center of the first PCI slot?

[adolescent]

redrumloa wrote:
How so?

Sigh..  You said it would block 2 Z3 slots for a single PCI video card, or 3 Z3 slots with 2 PCI cards.  Leaving the A3000 with only a single Z3 slot and no usable PCI slots wich limits future expansion.

[Brian]

@adolescent

You are undfair... Zorro2/3 is in it's own a limiting factor. For those who realy need massive expanded systems they will most likely sit with a tower conversion already and the Prometheus would not be a problem then.

Ask yourself what you need for the A3000D... scsi controller and scandoubler on board. Fast and cheap graphiccard and ethernet for the PCI... there's still one zorro or pci slot left if you want an IDE controller, USB controller, flashcard, soundcard or the like but if you want more you probably want a tower aswell anyway.

For the A4000D you won't lose any slots so there's no problem at that end and for tower conversions you will in fact gain some slots.

So please be fair. It still is a sweet way of giving the Amiga fast and cheap graphic and ethernet cards even if it is "just" a Prometheus card.

Ehm.. wait... need to promote Mediator also.. buy one, buy one, buy one... there, now I'm done. ;-)

[redrumloa]

What's the distance from the Zorro edge of the Prommy to the center of the first PCI slot?

Too far. I'm not in the shop to measure atm, but trust me.. it BARELY fits in an A3000D, and it is approximately 1/4" too wide for an A4000D. The Voodoo 3 is wider(taller) than the mounting bracket.

[redrumloa]

You said it would block 2 Z3 slots for a single PCI video card,

Correct for the Amiga 3000D, with the case closed. However considering this is the only PCI solution for the A3000D, I don't understand what alternative you would recomend. If someone wants to use a Voodoo 3(the fastest gfx card possible in an Amiga) in an original A3000D case,they have no other options. PERIOD.

, or 3 Z3 slots with 2 PCI cards. Leaving the A3000 with only a single Z3 slot and no usable PCI slots wich limits future expansion.

The total number of usable slots in a stock 3000D case drops from 4 to 3 in this configuration. Limits future expansion? How so? The user could either open the case, or towerise the A3000D and use the Prometheus in the original intended manner giving a full 4 usable PCI slots and 3 usable zorro. A A3k desktop case is crammed as it is, I am just happy to be able to provide them a solution when they had none before.

Besides, this only applies for the A3000D. In the A4000D it is a one for one ratio AND you don't lose your video slot. Another first for original A4000D users.