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Re: Hollywood wants to hack your PC
« Reply #29 from previous page: July 25, 2002, 02:45:04 PM »
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Typical socialist stuff.


I always wonder where the Americans get their ideas about Socialists from. Probably the same pop-tv media that they say we in Europe get our vision of the USA from.

Anyway, left- and right- wing comparisons/accusations/whatever are IMO out of place here. What we've got is a powerful, ultra-conservative (with a small 'c') lobby that reacts to change by pretending it doesn't exist, then when that doesn't work, trying to push through legislation ordering it not to exist.

Along with M$'s Palladium project, this is beginning to sound like the death knell of Wintel machines. Which is good news for us: how many people out there know how to hack an Amiga (or even MorphOS!) compared to those who attack M$ and Linux-based machines?
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Re: Hollywood wants to hack your PC
« Reply #30 on: July 25, 2002, 03:15:26 PM »
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I always wonder where the Americans get their ideas about Socialists from. Probably the same pop-tv media that they say we in Europe get our vision of the USA from.


Ka-ching! One point for anarchic_teapot! :-D

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What we've got is a powerful, ultra-conservative (with a small 'c') lobby


Hmm... Egoistic might be a better word.
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Re: Hollywood wants to hack your PC
« Reply #31 on: July 25, 2002, 05:21:59 PM »
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The MPAA and RIAA are certainly not going to stop at the US and may very well use the 'US' to attack 'piracy' on a global scale.


If the US goverment allows this, then they'll hurt their efforts to prosecute hackers based in other countries tremendously. I don't think most countries will be very inclined to help prosecute hackers for crimes against the US if they allow hacking of computers in those countries to go unpunished.
 

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Re: Hollywood wants to hack your PC
« Reply #32 on: July 25, 2002, 05:29:37 PM »
Another example of rabid protectionists getting things slightly out of perspective:
Partying Barbie

Well, I think it's hilarious. Do judges in the USA often advise litigants to 'chill out'?

Proof that some people can keep a sense of proportion, even in Merkia  ;-)
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Re: Hollywood wants to hack your PC
« Reply #33 on: July 25, 2002, 06:44:24 PM »
Anybody who thinks that US media is "liberally biased" is a bit naive.  Who killed the FCC's Fairness Doctraine?  Reagan, :-x a Republican.  I tend to be ultra-right wing on some things, eclipsing Republicans on some of their own issues.  But you have to see Republicans for the CORPORATE WHORES :-( that they are.  Democrats are barely any better.  That's why campaign finance reform is needed.  But I digress...

  Who (along with tacit approval of owning-class white-good-ole-boy Clinton-the-faux-Democrat) orchestrated the quiet coup which  gave away BILLIONS in US public spectra to corporations?

 Republicans.  :-x

The fact that anybody sees Clinton as a "Democrat", let alone a "liberal" is some testiment to just how easily the uni-dimensional US media programs most people.  If you compare policies in general, Republicans and Democrats are increasingly looking like each other.

 Not all Republicans are bad, nor are all Democrats.  Each are compromised differently.  I don't want anybody thinking I'm saying ALL party X is this way. I'm saying MOST.  :-)  But I digress again.

 :-D Did you know that just 9 companies own 98% of the  US media market?  

NINE.  You can't have a healthy republic with that kind of limited POV.

And do you even want to talk about SkyNet/FOX/Fox_News and that uber-fascist Rupert Murdoch?  He makes Bill Gates look like a moderate!

:-P The core problem is that Republicans generally want RIGHTS for corporations-- rights that exceed that of humans.  And since corporations own the media, all we get is their self-serving propaganda.

  How many of you people even know that our :-D Henry Kissinger is wanted for War Crimes?

 Your "liberal" media never seems to report the very "liberal" issues, does it?  Instead it gives you this false dichotomy to distract you from the real games.  You haven't even got a clue who really runs the world, or how.  The most powerful people on this planet are families YOU"VE NEVER EVEN HEARD OF.
 
 That's why we have people like rumloader.  He doesn't realize he's been programmed already.  If you want independent reporting try
:-) [Independent Media Near Your HomeTown

There's also at least one media-watchdog group worth bookmarking:
:-) [ Fairness And Accuracy In Reporting

You can hunt for the media-corporate critiquing radio show :-)  CounterSpin

Or the Magazine EXTRA!

I also suggest NewsWatch on Fox News, although it is a bit like mind melding with Roger Ailes.  It's better than the crap on Sunday morning news TV.

 And once you understand how media and content companies are overlapping with major consumer electronic companies (MS and SONY are the scariest IMHO), you'll understand why such insane legislation like the DMCA and others whiz right through the halls of Congress and get signed by the President.

 Still don't get it?  Look at the Warner Bros and TIME duopoly.  Then CNN took them over (laughably, some Faux News types claim CNN is "liberal") and then AOL took them over.  And POOF, suddenly CNN is running puff pieces for PEOPLE MAGAZINE instead of hard reporting.  Their coverage of techno-politics has gone to hell, just as Steve Case would have wanted it.  These people don't get to the top  by being concerned about anything but their own agenda, which filters through their own media outlet now.  If you don't see that, you're not only a cog, you're a blind and deaf cog at that.  And have you noticed all the AOL commercials on CNN/Headline News?  They're one big incestuous corporate family.
Which explains the drivel they put out.

Keep in mind I could say that Disney/ABC, GE/NBC, Capitol/CBS and Fox are far worse.  Especially FOX News.

The day is coming when they're going to try to dictate which platforms are allowable, in the name of protecting the "digital rights" of "rights-holders".

And judging from the DMCA and others, it's sooner than we think.
 

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Re: Hollywood wants to hack your PC
« Reply #34 on: July 25, 2002, 06:57:59 PM »
Rumloader,

 As usual you're half wrong.  Tipper Gore was the unlikely Democratic front for an unseemly union with far-right social groups to force PARENTAL ADVISTORY stickers on music.

  The reason why she was handed that leash, was to make the position seem less far-right, and thus more palleteable.  She was the perfect brainless mouthpiece.  Used, and she never even knew it.  Not that she or Al are exactly bleeding heart liberals.  Look at the guy's record.

 And you'll note that the music industry is quite happy with the arrangement.   Even though it was largely the creation of far-right interests.  Why?  Because fundamentally, greed and self interest often make allies when when elements of the right wing might disagree socially.    The entertainment companies didn't want any sticky mandatory legislation would mean paying for any more stickers than they can squeek by with.

And there were plenty of left wingers who wanted these stickers too.  Mostly out of concern over lyrics extolling the virtues of rape, guns, murder, drugs, etc.

After all, "artist's rights" come second to 1st amendment rights which comes 3rd to the corporate "rights holder's" interest in not getting into an expensive legal battle over free speech issues.   The corporations don't care about YOUR free speech.   They're only in to any of this for the money.
 

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Re: Hollywood wants to hack your PC
« Reply #35 on: July 25, 2002, 07:06:46 PM »
Kenny, as usual, you Euros show that you know more about US history and policy  than many Americans know.
 
True, the GOP and Dems did swap positions on race issues.  You'll note that during the 20th century, it was mostly Republicans and Southern Blue Dog Democrats (indistinguishable from Republicans usually) who fought against civil rights, the voting act, etc..

The Republicans love GUN rights and LAND rights and PROPERTY rights though.  Which is consistant with how they support corporations as immortal artificial legal persons with full rights.  Meanwhile the actual people get shafted.

And yet they always talk about personal liberty. What a con.
 

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Re: Hollywood wants to hack your PC
« Reply #36 on: July 26, 2002, 12:01:48 AM »
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Rumloader,


Your arguement is so weak you must look for insults?

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As usual you're half wrong.


No as usual I am right and you are clueless! :-o
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Re: Hollywood wants to hack your PC
« Reply #37 on: July 26, 2002, 07:02:16 AM »
I have to laugh when I hear things like "liberal media".. because the media here is anything but.

It absolutely amazes me that you are allowed to broadcast radio shows that are blatently biased towards one political party.  Absolutely no opposing point of view - just program after program of far right paranoia, which just before the last election, were doing nothing more than constant support shows for Dubbya.

And what are those morons Mike Reagan and Rush Limbar banging on about.

All they seem to do is take any quote made by a non-republican politician and twist it until it sounds like there's this communist agenda being forced on the American people by everyone except a few diehard rightwingers.  

The reason I have to listen to this #### is that when I drive home through mountain passes the only thing there is to listen to on the radio is AM stations.

So when I hear people like these bang on about how the media is biased against the right - I have to ask what media are they talking about?  Because all the news radio channels are firmly and unappologetically right wing, and it certainly isn't any of the TV news channels.  So where are these left wing media shows that I supposed to be bombarded with?  I haven't seen one - except for some t*sser called Bill Maher doing a show called Politically Incorrect, but that was so late at night it probably had as close to a zero audience as you could get - and fortunately has been cancelled because something he said got blown out of all proportion.  First time I've ever been pleased to see an over reaction to a stupid comment.
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