Vista Final - Solitaire

[AmigaHeretic]

so you are basing vista performance on how well solitare plays, interesting benchmark. Kind of like judging how well the amiga os is by testing its web browers, just plain silly and wrong. I guess you say it works well otherwise.    anyway, I won't be testing vista anytime soon as I have no need for it and have better things to do with my time. Since you claim to hate windows, here is an idea, stop using it! Linux packs quite a punch nowdays

No, not basing, but I found it amusing.  Had I paid several hundred dollars for it and not be given it free from work, well, I wouldn't have been so amused.

Stop using Windows?  I guess it's a love hate relationship.  All day at work I fix the damn things, but it does do everything I want at home and is very stable & I usually don't have to fix my own system.

I pretty much just use Opera anyway.  I run a tab for the web based MSN messenger, I use it as my email client, IRC client, radio (thanks to some awsome Opera widgets), download torrents in it, oh and I surf the internet with it too ;-)  Opera is pretty much the perfect app.  If Opera was the whole OS too, well, that would be awsome.  Opera on AmigaOS, well, I wouldn't have a reason to use Windows anymore.

So I have two more points of view on Vista after work today.  So slow.  Add/Remove programs sucks compared with XP.  Everything feels like molasses.  The machines with the Core2Duos and Aero support are a lot better though.  Not sure why the "non-aero" interface is so slow.

On my own system I have installed GuildWars and it runs pretty much the same.  I kinda like it.  Cool new stuff to explore.  Sure I feel like I have no idea what's going on in the OS and that I have no idea how to fix it or tweak it yet.  But it's pretty cool.

I did install 64bit Windows Vista Ultimate, but have all 64bit drivers.  I don't think this is the reason for solitare going slow.  Like I said, GuildWars runs great.

Anyway, I don' think it will be long before Vista takes over.  Every computer we sell now at work is Vista.  XP is gone.  

[DonnyEMU]

So I have two more points of view on Vista after work today. So slow. Add/Remove programs sucks compared with XP. Everything feels like molasses. The machines with the Core2Duos and Aero support are a lot better though. Not sure why the "non-aero" interface is so slow.

One of the reasons that things appear slow is User Account Control. This is the built-in protection against malware and programs that might use the installer/uninstaller to install or uninstall things. Most things like this now requires admin privileges..

You can disable this function but it's not recommended for safety. The MacOS has a similar function that requires admin priviledgs for certain operations.

I have been testing Vista for over a year, and most operations (not related to User Account Control) are much faster. Also, in x64 editions they seem faster than XP x64 are on the same hardware.. I guess some benchmarks in the press will probably feel that out.

I am just amazed anyone is benchmarking solitaire.. There are other pretty cool games there like the new 3D chess which isn't slow at all even on less than a gigahertz.

[jkirk]

monami wrote:
get us a drm capable os and quick...

get thee behind me satan :-)


drm is the bane of mankind. it is rosemary's baby. it is......well you get my point.

drm can just jump in the river and drown for all a am concerned. give me an os without that crap.

[AmigaHeretic]

I am just amazed anyone is benchmarking solitaire.

I guess you've never worked in retail PC sales.

There's 2 things 50 percent of the customer's ( most of them over 55) do with their computers.

Check email. (Never try to explain the difference of something like Outlook Express vs. Web based email)

and play Solitaire.

That's their first question when buying a computer.  "Does it have games on it like Solitaire."

That why I even bothered to check it out on my sytem.

[Piru]

Windows Vista Ultimate FI OEM
...resulted in ultimate Vista pain ;-)

It would only install after disabling USB from BIOS (don't even ask how long it took to figure that out).

I bet DonnyEMU has good justification for this one, too? ;-)

[ZeBeeDee]

Vista ... whats that? oh yeah, I remember now ... BLOATWARE!

 :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:

[odin]

I'm not touching it with a ten-foot pole.

[AmiGeezer]

What does the error message say?

Cheers,
Matt

Piru wrote:
Windows Vista Ultimate FI OEM
...resulted in ultimate Vista pain ;-)

It would only install after disabling USB from BIOS (don't even ask how long it took to figure that out).

I bet DonnyEMU has good justification for this one, too? ;-)

[giZmo350]

@DonnyEMU

Has M$ fixed the problem of disabling the built-in Admin account when installing Vista over XP? There's going to be a lot of peeved peeps out there who are running their XP machine as admin without any other user account if M$ hasn't fixed that! Also to others, before installing a Vista upgrade, make sure you create a second "Admin" account with FULL rights so that you can get back into the machine as an admin. Any limited "USER" accounts will not have full access to basic functions such as install, folder access, etc..... After upgrade, you can then use the secondary admin acct to change limited user rights. Just FYI.   :madashell:

[mick_aka]

I just aquired a dual 1.6GHz processor upgrade for my trusty old G4 Powermac, this combined with my Macbook now means there is a strong posibility of my pc being dismantled and certain components going into a mini ITX case to sit under the TV.

So much for Vista  :-D

[Homer]

Piru: I've read in UK PC magazines that people were having trouble with USB when installng Vista. I wonder if its to stop us criminals copying things  :crazy:

[yetihw]

Starrfoxx wrote:
With Vista coming out and requiring intense hardware, this would be the perfect time for the Amiga to make a comeback.  Put a new Amiga with a cd/dvd rom drive, USB, ethernet, OS4, and put it into a nice A500/1200 keyboard with the ability to hook it up to a TV or monitor, slap on an inexpensive price, and I think we may have something.

Yeah a crazy dream (one which I share BTW)  Your definitely right but someone else(PS3? etc) will develop it.

[Piru]

@AmiGeezer

What does the error message say?

roughly:

"Installation aborted

Changes made during the installation process will not be saved."

...and the requester:

"Windows installation

Windows cannot install required files. File not found. Make sure that all the needed files for the installation are available, and restart the installation. Error: 0x80070002."

[DonnyEMU]

@gizmo350

I support windows networking at a local accounting firm, so I am keenly aware of priviledges and rights.. First of all this depends on version of vista that you are running. Remember "Longhorn Server" is on the way as well that addresses all of this kinda thing in networked environments..

On home machines some people make themselves administrator's instead of normal users because this gives them complete control of the machine. Also some software vendors in the past including m$ have had software that only would run with elevated rights for reading and writing files and accessing other people's resources. On Unix environments most users NEVER have or run under the  administrator account, also true on MacOS..

Microsoft has been trying to discourage people from doing this and writing software that requires this for sometime (since the last XP update for security a couple years back). Running as administrator was required then, it's really not anymore. Also the way it's implemented also makes it extra secure so malware doesn't kill your system.
 

Anyway, my experience after beta 2 with RTM installed (did an upgrade install of my windows media center pc to vista home premium. That machine has several users including an ADMIN user, an MCX user account (limited user that is used by my Media Center Extender/XBox 360)..

All I can tell you is that after the upgrade (nividia chipset all the way AMD 64 CPU ATI 9550) I had no problems with any installed programs (except nero, which I don't really need anymore) this was not an issue for me.. Limited user accounts otherwise and guests were disabled, and it asks me for permission for anything that would require a "admin" account.. I think they took care of that issue mostly betweeen b2 and RTM builds.

I know on Vista Business on a network that things work very differently.

Even on the home and ultimate packages if you want:
Disable the firewall
Disable windows defender
Disable User Account Control
Renable the Admin account and even revert back to an XP security policy, you can still do this..

It's not recommended but everything I have heard so far here is related to a new security measure that can be disabled (easily googled for on the web)..

I do recommend people get a program called VistaBoot Pro, it gives you your boot configuration options from XP back and supports booting multiple OSes (XP, Vista, Aros, etc..)

[adz]

DonnyEMU wrote:

Even on the home and ultimate packages if you want:
Disable the firewall
Disable windows defender
Disable User Account Control
Renable the Admin account and even revert back to an XP security policy, you can still do this..

Ahhh, but can you remove all the DRM bull$hit???

[AmigaHeretic]

Ahhh, but can you remove all the DRM bull$hit???

Yeah.  Just install WinUAE and do everything in AmigaOS that you want ;-)