Vista Final - Solitaire

[TheMud]

I have only experienced one single crash on my iMac with OS X 10.4

And that was with MS Word *LOL*

[-BobW-]

I switched to Mac back in September.  In December I realized that I hadn't turned my PC on since the day after I installed my Mac so now my PC is in the basement.  

I was running a beta version of Vista under Parallels on my Mac.  I've always been an early adopter when it comes to Windows upgrades since it's my job to keep up with systems.  I have never been so uninterested in a Microsoft upgrade.  It just feels like pure bloat to me.  Why does better security and a pretty interface have to translate into such a pig?

I migrated from Windows 2000 to XP without upgrading a single piece of hardware and everything worked.  To go to Vista I would pretty much need a completely new PC.  No thanks.

[kd7ota]

There is no need for me to upgrade to Vista....  All I do is surf the web, some email, and messenger..

I don't think that requires a dual-core or 2gb of ram.  :-)

[DonnyEMU]

Wow that must be an old radeon, because aero 3d and the new solitare in Vista works great on my old AGP 8X Radeon 9550 on my media center PC that I use for recording TV shows.. You really should update your graphics card man. If it's a laptop I know it isn't possible but with that rocking dual core you could have such a better time. The 9200 wasn't designed to be a gaming card..

For those who are interested in why this game wont run (well if he installed the old XP solitaire.exe I am positive that would still run just like the old XP movie maker does..

For those interested the new games that are on the Vista Home and Ultimate release takes advantage of the new 3D support and shader technology in the latest graphics cards. So does windows movie maker for realtime rendering of transitions and effects which make editing and creating movies much much faster than say Premiere elements that requires the CPU for all it's rendering.

I have the vista business SKU installed on an AMD 64 HP laptop which has a GForce 4 card (no shader technology). It all runs (except the games and movie maker, until I migrated the xp versions over) and I don't get aero glass or flip 3d but it's still very useable and MALWARE and SPYWARE free..

Sure you might miss solitaire but for over a year Microsoft has warned you that the new 3d features (even those in the games) would require a DirectX 9 capable card.

[Starrfoxx]

With Vista coming out and requiring intense hardware, this would be the perfect time for the Amiga to make a comeback.  Put a new Amiga with a cd/dvd rom drive, USB, ethernet, OS4, and put it into a nice A500/1200 keyboard with the ability to hook it up to a TV or monitor, slap on an inexpensive price, and I think we may have something.

[Colani1200]

DonnyEMU wrote:
The 9200 wasn't designed to be a gaming card..

A Radeon 9200 not powerful enough to run SOLITAIRE? :lol: :lol: Come on... not too long ago, this would have been one of those stupid M$ jokes people used to laugh about. Now it has become reality.

I have the vista business SKU installed on an AMD 64 HP laptop which has a GForce 4 card (no shader technology). It all runs (except the games and movie maker, until I migrated the xp versions over) and I don't get aero glass or flip 3d but it's still very useable and MALWARE and SPYWARE free..

How do you know, did you check the source code?

[jorkany]

AmigaHeretic,

So it comes up and looks pretty much the same, but the cards move SOOOOOOOO slow.

That sums up my Vista experience right there - S-L-O-W. I was required to do some unit testing on a Vista machine at work, a  machine which is overall at least twice as powerful as the one I use for development. Somehow my three-year-old XP dev laptop, even when running with all the tools I use daily, blows the socks off of Vista desktops running just IE7. Hopefully they don't force us all to "upgrade" to Vista anytime in the near future or my work estimates are going to double.

[giZmo350]

@ -BOBW- and all.....

Yup, same here...  it's my job to keep up with M$. I too bought a Mac last year and am still learning the interface but love it (been a Windows user since version 1). I HAVE to  learn Vista inside and out 'cause M$ is how I make a living - and extra money. (Although I DO have a REAL job in the tech/software/banking/marketing/IT industry)

Of course I love my Amigas due to simplicity and they just work. BTW guys and gals, if you are the "I just surf, play simple games, create a few docs" type, download UBUNTU 6.1 and write the ISO to a CD and boot from the CD. WOW! Everything already there. Feels kinda like Amiga OS and is beautiful. All the apps you ever need are already on the CD. Firefox runs instantly without configuring TCPIP stack.

Anywho, ya, Vista is based and poised on future M$ apps and internet interaction. I really like XP/Server 2003 (due to the SMB networking layer and AD - networking is a dream in XP Pro - and it would even run on a PII-400 nicely). But Vista offers nothing for an XP Guru. More security headaches and more $$$ to throw at to keep it safe. Grrr. I am just sick of Windows!!! And I'm NOT going to pay out the A$$ again to upgrade and buy MORE new desktop machines, MORE upgraded Adobe overfreakinpricedware either!!! I can't remember the last time I actually went to the store, browsed for software and actually bought something fun for Windows. Oh, and get ready to run EVERYTHING off the web. MORE $$$!!!

Oops...  rant off...  hahahahaha

I am going to the M$ "New Day" launch in Detroit on the 13th to get my "FREE" (after I listen to all the B$) copy of Office 2007 Pro though. It looks interesting - (I never installed my beta - hehe) but I'm not shelling out the $$$ to buy it.

However, anyone who is forced to stick with Windows (most of us!) will learn it and hate it and conform. Just my $.02 for now since this M$ post is here.

This is interesting - A Mac user switches to Vista

Mac Defector

giZmo -----------------

[AmigaHeretic]

Wow that must be an old radeon, because aero 3d and the new solitare in Vista works great on my old AGP 8X Radeon 9550 on my media center PC that I use for recording TV shows.. You really should update your graphics card man.

On the box for my ATI 9200 it says it's the "Best Graphics Card in the World!"  So why would I want to upgrade? ;-)


Seriously though this Aero thing is a scam by Microsoft I beleieve.  First, take my card for example.  I play Guild Wars on it for example and from my POV it looks awsome.

Areo only requires 64mb of RAM.  Mine has 128mb.  Most of the computers sold come with 'crappy' on-board graphics chipsets that don't support Aero.  Forcing the user to buy a new graphics card....
...UNLESS that is that their "BIOS" lets them enable Aero support & then some how magically Aero will all of a sudden work on unsupported hardware?  Sounds like Bill is forcing the computer manufactures to pay him for this "BIOS" trick so they don't have to through all the current Motherboard with the crap onboard graphics cards away.

So if I paid Microsoft a big amount of Money I could probably make my ATI 9200 work with Aero as well just fine.  Not a hardware issue here I'm affraid.

Aside from that, Solitaire should still be playable without an Aero supported graphics card.  What am I going to tell the old ladies that just bought a brand new PC today when they get a message that the computer isn't "good enough" (which is what they'll read in the message) to play their favorite game?  

Why force it to be so slow?  It doesn't make sense.

[adolescent]

Vista performs quite well here on my P4-550 with 6600GT.  Possibly it's because you upgraded?  Although supported, I always do a fresh install.  This guarantees there's no legacy driver or system file that makes the system run slower.

BTW, I had OSX86 on this box to test and it was much slower.  Probably due to the fact that there weren't any good Nvidia drivers (I used the TITAN driver).  

[TheMud]

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[NoFastMem]

I spent the last twenty minutes at work today just trying to open the printers and faxes panel on a workstation... "Slower than XP" translates roughly as "glacial" in my lexicon.

Vista sounds like a disaster in the making at this point, but we'll see.

[Fester]

I'm not upgrading my machines to Vista. Period. It would most likely be better to purchase a new machine with Vista already on it, than to destroy an older working computer by upgrading it to Vista.  Anyway, that's what one of the articles in the latest PC magazine suggested. Yes, I read that in Pc Mag of all places.

Fester

[guru-666]

@AmigaHeretic
so you are basing vista performance on how well solitare plays, interesting benchmark.  Kind of like judging how well the amiga os is by testing its web browers, just plain silly and wrong.  I guess you say it works well otherwise.

anyway, I won't be testing vista anytime soon as I have no need for it and have better things to do with my time.  Since you claim to hate windows, here is an idea, stop using it!  Linux packs quite a punch nowdays

[Fester]

guru-666 wrote:
@AmigaHeretic
so you are basing vista performance on how well solitare plays, interesting benchmark.  Kind of like judging how well the amiga os is by testing its web browers, just plain silly and wrong.  I guess you say it works well otherwise.

anyway, I won't be testing vista anytime soon as I have no need for it and have better things to do with my time.  Since you claim to hate windows, here is an idea, stop using it!  Linux packs quite a punch nowdays

...but but... His remark was useful, at least to me. There's humor in the fact that a modern PC is having trouble running such a basic game.

[AmigaHeretic]

so you are basing vista performance on how well solitare plays, interesting benchmark. Kind of like judging how well the amiga os is by testing its web browers, just plain silly and wrong. I guess you say it works well otherwise.    anyway, I won't be testing vista anytime soon as I have no need for it and have better things to do with my time. Since you claim to hate windows, here is an idea, stop using it! Linux packs quite a punch nowdays

No, not basing, but I found it amusing.  Had I paid several hundred dollars for it and not be given it free from work, well, I wouldn't have been so amused.

Stop using Windows?  I guess it's a love hate relationship.  All day at work I fix the damn things, but it does do everything I want at home and is very stable & I usually don't have to fix my own system.

I pretty much just use Opera anyway.  I run a tab for the web based MSN messenger, I use it as my email client, IRC client, radio (thanks to some awsome Opera widgets), download torrents in it, oh and I surf the internet with it too ;-)  Opera is pretty much the perfect app.  If Opera was the whole OS too, well, that would be awsome.  Opera on AmigaOS, well, I wouldn't have a reason to use Windows anymore.

So I have two more points of view on Vista after work today.  So slow.  Add/Remove programs sucks compared with XP.  Everything feels like molasses.  The machines with the Core2Duos and Aero support are a lot better though.  Not sure why the "non-aero" interface is so slow.

On my own system I have installed GuildWars and it runs pretty much the same.  I kinda like it.  Cool new stuff to explore.  Sure I feel like I have no idea what's going on in the OS and that I have no idea how to fix it or tweak it yet.  But it's pretty cool.

I did install 64bit Windows Vista Ultimate, but have all 64bit drivers.  I don't think this is the reason for solitare going slow.  Like I said, GuildWars runs great.

Anyway, I don' think it will be long before Vista takes over.  Every computer we sell now at work is Vista.  XP is gone.