We Doin' Any Good Here?

[SHADES]

@ Wayne

You forgot to mention conspirisits!!

There are those of us who believe that all of the above you have mentioned was done to smash the community, un-hearten us and finaly burry the AMIGA and all possible roads for a future.

This goes back to ATARI/Commodore days. When the IBM PC and clones were saying "If a computer has any more than 16 colours, it must be a games machine"
Well we had colours, DMA sound, plug and play, multitasking and more.

It was a dangerouse machine then and still is now even though the PC world has not only colours but 3d Graphics and 8.1 Channel sound, multitasking etc...the philosophy behind the AMIGA stays. Perhaps some companies out there just don't want to see it survive and intend to break spirits that have held the AMIGA together even into divided sides right into 2005.

The community is not dead, just waiting as usual. Waiting for someone with enough guts, vision and money to do something. KMOS may just be that company and if so, there is still a chance for a very powerful "lifestyle" to once again bring the computer/technology scene forward to a new era.


I think that as long as we stay true to what we believe in, and to me that was the platform AMIGA and it's community I don't see why the common goal can't become a reality.
Seriously, if there is a demand, there will be substance.
Weather it be accelerator cards for classic hardware or new hardware, it's obvious that there are people who want AMIGA's technology and prefer the OS's feel and ability above others that are on offer.

[MiAmigo]

Wayne wrote:
@MiAmigo.

Well put sir.  You are correct.  There are a lot of people here who've had their hopes of a new platform sullied time and time again for over 10 years now.  As such, there are more than a few here who're both emotional and a little unrealistic about the subject...

Wayne

Obviously, there are several issues 'the community' needs to work out. A big one: wean ourselves off of, and away from specious 'parent company' developers, at least for now. Another one, less obvious: How about ridding ourselves of the idea that the Amiga (and its future) as a solitary platform, and start to see it more as a 'class' of computers. The other way around, we're never going to agree what the Amiga should be, since, seeing it as one type of machine is actually way, way too limiting for a machine of such vast potential. How about redefining the Amiga as a 'class', which would include different types of machines for different uses. They would share certain hardware and software elements, (such as OS and the most basic hardware), but from that point, be diversified into range of machine-types for home users, gamers, graphics, sound, etc. (Sort of like what Commodore did with the A1000 – A400, but less sporadic, and less schizophrenic).

And, why aren't we challenging, on this very forum, the 'smarts' of the people who seem to spend way too much of their day on forums (!). There really are a lot of extremely smart, uber-intelligent and well-informed people who seem content to only shooting down other people’s ideas, and infighting with their peers. Maybe there should be a way that could put that brain trust to good use. What if there was a specifically a forum set up just for proto-typing, designing and hammering out the specs of various aspects of the different machine types within the newly formed 'Amiga' class. Then, we really would be doing some good here. And, as I said in another post, this part of it (conceptualization and design) really doesn't cost anything, and it could actually produce something productive and concrete, which, if well conceived enough, might actually attract a parent company worth something. We, and we alone, can save the Amiga, or let it die.

P.S. I hope my meager suggestions don’t inadvertently start a flame war! :nervous:

[bloodline]

And, why aren't we challenging, on this very forum, the 'smarts' of the people who seem to spend way too much of their day on forums (!). There really are a lot of extremely smart, uber-intelligent and well-informed people who seem content to only shooting down other people’s ideas, and infighting with their peers. Maybe there should be a way that could put that brain trust to good use. What if there was a specifically a forum set up just for proto-typing, designing and hammering out the specs of various aspects of the different machine types within the newly formed 'Amiga' class.

One word:

Money


-Pink Floyd-

[MiAmigo]

bloodline wrote:

And, why aren't we challenging, on this very forum, the 'smarts' of the people who seem to spend way too much of their day on forums (!). There really are a lot of extremely smart, uber-intelligent and well-informed people who seem content to only shooting down other people’s ideas, and infighting with their peers. Maybe there should be a way that could put that brain trust to good use. What if there was a specifically a forum set up just for proto-typing, designing and hammering out the specs of various aspects of the different machine types within the newly formed 'Amiga' class.

One word:

Money


-Pink Floyd-

I think I see what you mean. So, say we developed, after several months, a new super-class of Amiga computers, and some part of them, or maybe even all of them, became highly do-able, and marketable. Would we then be reduced to fighing over who actually created the thing, and should get the kudos, credit, and monetary gain? Say it ain't so! Would we actually let that kill any chance the Amiga has, which, maybe, lies more here, on this forum (and forums like it), than anywhere else? Mein Gott! :-o

[bloodline]

MiAmigo wrote:

bloodline wrote:

And, why aren't we challenging, on this very forum, the 'smarts' of the people who seem to spend way too much of their day on forums (!). There really are a lot of extremely smart, uber-intelligent and well-informed people who seem content to only shooting down other people’s ideas, and infighting with their peers. Maybe there should be a way that could put that brain trust to good use. What if there was a specifically a forum set up just for proto-typing, designing and hammering out the specs of various aspects of the different machine types within the newly formed 'Amiga' class.

One word:

Money


-Pink Floyd-

I think I see what you mean. So, say we developed, after several months, a new super-class of Amiga computers, and some part of them, or maybe even all of them, became highly do-able, and marketable. Would we then be reduced to fighing over who actually created the thing, and should get the kudos, credit, and monetary gain? Say it ain't so! Would we actually let that kill any chance the Amiga has, which, maybe, lies more here, on this forum (and forums like it), than anywhere else? Mein Gott! :-o

:lol: maybe...

No, the big problem is that no matter what we can come up with there is always going to be a company who can spend huge sums of money to do it better and get there before us... and there is several companies competing in each of the areas we would have to cover...

[MiAmigo]

bloodline wrote:

MiAmigo wrote:

bloodline wrote:

And, why aren't we challenging, on this very forum, the 'smarts' of the people who seem to spend way too much of their day on forums (!). There really are a lot of extremely smart, uber-intelligent and well-informed people who seem content to only shooting down other people’s ideas, and infighting with their peers. Maybe there should be a way that could put that brain trust to good use. What if there was a specifically a forum set up just for proto-typing, designing and hammering out the specs of various aspects of the different machine types within the newly formed 'Amiga' class.

One word:

Money


-Pink Floyd-

I think I see what you mean. So, say we developed, after several months, a new super-class of Amiga computers, and some part of them, or maybe even all of them, became highly do-able, and marketable. Would we then be reduced to fighing over who actually created the thing, and should get the kudos, credit, and monetary gain? Say it ain't so! Would we actually let that kill any chance the Amiga has, which, maybe, lies more here, on this forum (and forums like it), than anywhere else? Mein Gott! :-o

:lol: maybe...

No, the big problem is that no matter what we can come up with there is always going to be a company who can spend huge sums of money to do it better and get there before us... and there is several companies competing in each of the areas we would have to cover...

Well, the obvious question is: Why ain't they done it, yit? I think they can't, because of the restrictions of what I'll call 'anycompanypolicy' which is the same thing that hamstrings those of us who'll let it: "Ooh! This can't be done, that's not economically do-able, we-can't-create-or-depend-on-a-possible-market for this'. And they never will. That's why, every time some company claims to assume the Amiga brand, they come up with some hare-brained, but what they consider to be more marketable, approach to how to handle the machine. They're afraid. True entrepreneurs shouldn't be. To me, the only difference between technology and magic is what you can allow yourself to conceive, and, ultimately, believe. It’s a philosophy that has served me well.

[K7HTH]

TheMagicM wrote:
My sentiments exactly JetFireDX.   This is just a hobby.  I could care less what happens to the new breed of Amiga's (Pegasos/A1).  The real Amiga's are the classic Amigas...thats what this site is about.. a bunch of us Amiga fanatics hanging out, talking about what we're doing with our classic.  If something new happens to be developed for our classic system, great, if not..we'll continue on with what we have.  C=64 users are a perfect example (like me! LOL) of continuing on despite of technological advances. hehe

-Alex

Touche` Bro!!

[MiAmigo]

KD7HTH wrote:

TheMagicM wrote:
My sentiments exactly JetFireDX.   This is just a hobby.  I could care less what happens to the new breed of Amiga's (Pegasos/A1).  The real Amiga's are the classic Amigas...thats what this site is about.. a bunch of us Amiga fanatics hanging out, talking about what we're doing with our classic.  If something new happens to be developed for our classic system, great, if not..we'll continue on with what we have.  C=64 users are a perfect example (like me! LOL) of continuing on despite of technological advances. hehe

-Alex

Touche` Bro!!

Hey, I'm a huge fan of classic Amigas, too. Its why I'm here. And, my views on the current crop of Amiga-wanna-bees is well documented elsewhere on this forum. But, I also would hate to see the type of innovation that spawned the original Amiga die out because of incompetence, and lack of vision and creativity, and yes, guts. So, I want to have my cake, and eat it, too. I want my classic Amiga, which I have, and I also want the Amiga to move forward into the future, cuz I'm just stubborn, that way.

[TheMagicM]

And, my views on the current crop of Amiga-wanna-bees is well documented elsewhere on this forum.  But, I also would hate to see the type of innovation that spawned the original Amiga die out because of incompetence, and lack of vision and creativity, and yes, guts.

if you're referring to the A1 and (almost defunct) Pegasos, I wouldnt call them wanna-bees.  The both kick the classic Amiga's butt.  There is just a lack of software.   Its a very difficult road for the A1 and even more trecherous (sp?) for the Pegasos.  In the end..there can be only one.  Our community, like its been said before, cannot support two "Amiga" computers.  Sad to say..even for me because I still have some love left for MOS.  

@Wayne:
 :-P   I guess being too much Pro-Pegasos caused some irritability...I'm over it and am looking at things without the blinders on.  (Not caused by the Peg users or MOS faithful..but by you know who.)

[MiAmigo]

TheMagicM wrote:

And, my views on the current crop of Amiga-wanna-bees is well documented elsewhere on this forum.  But, I also would hate to see the type of innovation that spawned the original Amiga die out because of incompetence, and lack of vision and creativity, and yes, guts.

if you're referring to the A1 and (almost defunct) Pegasos, I wouldnt call them wanna-bees.  The both kick the classic Amiga's butt.  There is just a lack of software.   Its a very difficult road for the A1 and even more trecherous (sp?) for the Pegasos.  In the end..there can be only one.  Our community, like its been said before, cannot support two "Amiga" computers.  Sad to say..even for me because I still have some love left for MOS.  

@Wayne:
 :-P   I guess being too much Pro-Pegasos caused some irritability...I'm over it and am looking at things without the blinders on.  (Not caused by the Peg users or MOS faithful..but by you know who.)

I agree totally. Its also why I suggested a new set of 'Amiga' class computers.

[shayes1981]

Well, as one who's had an Amiga since he was in 2nd Grade and it's still sitting here on my desk in front of me, though I'm not using it.  I figured I'd share my two cents.

My reasons for staying around the Amiga and this forum are a bit unusual, but probably not too uncommon in the Amiga community.  Like I said, my Dad purchased his Amiga 500 when I was in 2nd grade.  The coolest thing I thought it could do is speak (especially when Dad it tell my Mom "Go Away Diane!").  The Amigas we had during my childhood, and now my early adult life, represented an oasis away from my everyday life.  I can always go home and play games, or "fiddle" with something somehow, with the latter probably being the more important.  

I simply got bored.  In my late high school years, and through college, I switched over to the PC.  I "fiddled" around with things by spending outrageous amounts of money on hardware, just to get it to play the latest game.  More recently, I jumped over to the Mac world with iBook, which was more suitable, but it's "fiddle" factor isn't just there!  

I came back to the Amiga about a year ago.  Guess what?  I'm still fiddling with the dumb thing!  I had the best time a few days ago networking my A2000 with my Win98 pc to get it on the internet.  That's why I'm hanging around the Amiga.

Why do I hang around this forum?  Well - I figure in my years of "fiddling", I've probably figured a few things out about it, either software based, or hardware based.  Heck, if I can help people solve a problem, I'm happy to share that knowledge.  I hope that some others here feel the same, 'cause I'm likely to break something when I'm fiddling with the thing eventually!

As for the future of the Amiga - I know that there will probably be a time when my A4000 will feel like the C64 does to me when I play with it now, but that time hasn't come yet.  This computer is still a productive, usable machine.  After awhile, I'll probably end up with the new generation Amiga - but as for now, I'm finding new things to do with my old stuff every day.  And enjoying every minute of it.

I'm extremely glad to see such a forum that we can talk with other Amiga users about the Amiga, and figure out what works for them, and share in the great wealth of knowledge out there in the broader Amiga community - modern hardware or not. Let's keep it up!  

[K7HTH]

shayes1981 wrote:
I'm extremely glad to see such a forum that we can talk with other Amiga users about the Amiga, and figure out what works for them, and share in the great wealth of knowledge out there in the broader Amiga community - modern hardware or not. Let's keep it up!  

Well said!