Looks like we need more programers

[GPT]

I'm one of does that wana begin but can't:

I wana learn to program but I wana learn it in steps, starting with a simple langues like amos.

I have all the programs but I miss the books.

At the precent I'm trying to learn about Arexx, atlest I have a book for that.

Anyone have any suggestions where I can get some books for amos?

Hiya!!

Thanks for the links to louise's site sidewinder, I just wondered if you or anyone else could give me an idiots guide to setting up GCC with WinUAE??

Cheers,
Gazza

[gnarly]

@Sidewinder.

Its starting very well - i'm about halfway through the introduction, and I think I have a good teacher in you :-)

Maybe it can be a new years resolution - to learn to program something other than xHTML & CSS2 (thats hardly programming is it? :-) ). I think PHP would be useful but then C would be too...

[takemehomegrandma]

Sidewinder wrote:
Here is the first section of my tutorial.  I'd appreciate any constructive criticism you can offer.

Nice! :-)

Perhaps you could go deeper into how to set up a working developer envireonment. It seems like many people are having problems with this, and it would be sad if they will stumble and fall before they even are able to compile that first "Hello World!" program. So a detailed, step by step, tutorial of how to do this would be justified before going into that Hello World example. All needed information on one place. It would start from scratch and when the reader has followed all the instructions and recommendations then he/she will have a complete and *working* development envireonment on the HD, as well as a library of downloaded reference documentation. Only then will the user be ready to begin to learn actual programming, IMHO.

@ Gnarly!!: I was checking out your website and I've also got a mountain biking buddy called Gray who's just finished writing up his PhD thesis on electronic noses!!! small world  :-)

@ takemehomegrandma: I'm with you on the setting up the environment, that would be great! I've downloaded the gcc111-files.tgz file from sidewinder's first link and added the directory as a harddrive in winuae, but when I go to compile hello.c it tells me it can't find the command gcc, so it would be great if someone could do a tutorial to set this up!!! I'm really keen to start looking at this!!

Cheers,
Gazza

[Kronos]

@gazza

Have you set the needed assigns ? Is the "bin" directory in your path ?

@Sidewinder

Very good, and i´m with takemehome... but my gcc and vbcc allways worked, at least to "hello world",
i will put my 1200+Bppc working again just to folow the tutorial  :-D .

Question, this will be a free tutorial, or will you try to make a little profit with it ?
 ;-)

[takemehomegrandma]

Kronos wrote:
@gazza

Have you set the needed assigns ? Is the "bin" directory in your path ?

That's what I'm talking about. We need an envireonment that works without problem, out of the box.

On the C64, the Basic interpreter was there on power up. Easy. A lot of todays great programmers started their carrears on the C64 because it was so simple and easy to get started. On the Amiga there was AMOS, which allowed people to start programming just as easily. No hazzle. The Aminet testifies of the AMOS success. But when someone try to compile a simple "Hello World" in C and gets all kinds of cryptic error messages from the compiler regarding missing header files or whatever, they might loose their motivation and just quits trying.

C is a more complex language than Basic, but it should be just as easy to "get going" for a beginner, so he/she can focus wholehartedly on learning the programming instead of trying to get the compiler up and running.

[Sidewinder]

Perhaps you could go deeper into how to set up a working developer envireonment.

Ok, I will begin a tutorial on development environment setup using GCC and add it in the next couple of days.

Thanks for your input.

[Castellen]

@GPT:
I have an AMOS tutorial here I can send if you'd like, might come in handy.

@Sidewinder:
Excellent job, at least now I have an idea where to start!
Once I've come to grips with the compiler and learnt the basics of C I'll soon get the hang of it.

Many thanks for all your effort!

[Aniway]

Try doing a search on Google for the terms

amiga programming faq

. . .and see what pops up (sorry, couldn't paste
link).

Aniway

[Sidewinder]

@DDJPPC

These tutorials will be free for anyone interested.  Naturally any donations would be considered, but you know...  :-D

[QuikSanz]

WOW, I never dreamed of this kind of response. The input here is great. The only other thing I can think of is a meeting place to swap Q&A's. Have no idea how this will work but it's a start. Info is the KEY.

Chris

[uncharted]

I've been trying to program for the Amiga on and off for a couple of years.  The main problem is the transition from ANSI to Amiga stuff.  I can understand  the ANSI concepts and the examples in beginner books, but the complexity seems to jump several orders when you move up to Amga code.

Magazine articles on the subject in the past have tended to jump from basic "Hello World" programs with a couple of definitions of pointers, headers etc. to full blown GUI-using-every-damn-function-structure-and-library-known-to-man monsters.

I don't know about everyone but I tend to learn best taking an example and playing with it until I either destroy it or have sussed it's inner workings.  There seems to be a distinct lack of good examples for AmigaOS, and when they are available they seem to be SAS C specific and won't compile in VBCC, DICE, or StormC which is little use to a beginner.

If both OS 4 and MOS are going over to GCC then at least that will standardie things a bit. An IDE would be nice though :-)

[Kronos]

@uncharted
IDE ? Just get the latest GoldED, and you will have an allmost perfect IDE.

Programming the OS has become much easier with the introducion of Tags.

Just insert:

win=OpenWindowsTags(NULL,TAG_DONE);
Delay(500);
CloseWindow(win);

and you have starting-point.

Now take a deep look at the "Includes&Autodocs" found on the DEV-CD,
and try all the nice tags.