Issues with startup

[Thomas]

Here's one more to try.  Couldn't hurt, right?  http://aminet.net/package/util/boot/SetPatch_43.6b

It can hurt. Version 43 and below don't load the ROM update.

[Oldsmobile_Mike]

It can hurt. Version 43 and below don't load the ROM update.

I just saw he's using 3.1.  3.1 didn't have a ROM update, AFAIR?

Either way, there's no reason I can think of why a freshly powered on system with no Startup-Sequence is locking up as soon as he types SetPatch.  Is there a way to get verbose output from SetPatch to see at what point it's freezing?

By my count he's tried four different versions of SetPatch now, all with the same outcome.  This on a system that was previously working fine, before being put into storage for a period of time.  I've been throwing different versions of SetPatch out there, but what I really think is there's a hardware problem that needs further troubleshooting.

[paul1981]

What CPU card is in your machine? Sounds like a 68040.library issue to me.
Do you have a 68040 CPU or a 68030 CPU in your machine? If you have a 68030 then make sure to delete the 68040.library as it's not needed and will crash your system (type this in a shell: "delete libs:68040.library").

If you do have a 68040 CPU then do a version check to make sure you're using the correct library: ("version libs:68040.library full") and let us know what you find.

[tonyvdb]

I have 3.1 roms installed
Its an 040 board and given it boots up into windows if I disable setpatch that says the 040 is working right?

Im at work at the moment so wont be able to test any suggestions till later but keep them coming. Im learning lots as we go.

[mechy]

I have 3.1 roms installed
Its an 040 board and given it boots up into windows if I disable setpatch that says the 040 is working right?

Im at work at the moment so wont be able to test any suggestions till later but keep them coming. Im learning lots as we go.

Well there is the problem,you are trying to boot into windows on a Amiga - sorry!, couldnt resist :rolleyes:

[tonyvdb]

Well there is the problem,you are trying to boot into windows on a Amiga - sorry!, couldnt resist :rolleyes:

LOL yup. see what years of Windows abuse will get you.
I much prefer workbench

[Oldsmobile_Mike]

I have 3.1 roms installed
Its an 040 board and given it boots up into windows if I disable setpatch that says the 040 is working right?

SetPatch enables certain features of the 040, so no, not necessarily.

[tonyvdb]

Ok, I will report back later this evening what I get after trying some of the things you all suggest.

[tonyvdb]

Ok, I tried using SetPatch version 43.6b and no change.
I checked the version of the 68040 lib and it gave me "68040 library 37.30 (01/18/1993)

I also tried the several SetPatch changes and none of them got me any farther.

[Oldsmobile_Mike]

Hummm, okay.  You mentioned before you were able to boot to Workbench normally with a floppy disk, correct?  Try booting off your HD, but hold down both mouse buttons and do "No Startup-Sequence".  Then put the floppy disk in the drive and try running just the SetPatch off the floppy disk (cd to DF0:C directory).  Does that work?  What version is on the disk?

What version of the OS were you booting off with this disk, BTW?

[tonyvdb]

Im booting OS 3.1 on the hard drive.

I had a thought, could my Indivision AGA have gone bad or become disconnected off the chip somehow and that cause this issue? Its buried behind the Mediator board so hard to look at unless I remove it and all the Toaster cards.

[Oldsmobile_Mike]

Im booting OS 3.1 on the hard drive.

 I mean when you boot off a floppy disk.  Didn't you say previously that you were able to boot off a floppy disk without issues?  What version is this disk, and have you tried running just the SetPatch command off of it?
 

I had a thought, could my Indivision AGA have gone bad or become disconnected off the chip somehow and that cause this issue? Its buried behind the Mediator board so hard to look at unless I remove it and all the Toaster cards.

Sounds like you've got a lot of stuff going on with this system.  Indivision is one of the few pieces which isn't "touched" by SetPatch, since it should be transparent to the system at this level.  In other words, possible but not likely.  I'd try removing all the cards, reseat the processor card, check for bad or leaky caps, and try booting with just a base configuration without all the add-ons.  If it boots normally without them, add the boards back one-by-one until the problem reoccurs.  If you're lucky it's just a loose processor board or something along those lines.  Very common problem in A4000's.

[tonyvdb]

I mean when you boot off a floppy disk.  Didn't you say previously that you were able to boot off a floppy disk without issues?  What version is this disk, and have you tried running just the SetPatch command off of it?

Ok, it was a 3.1 floppy.
I will try that tonight and see what goes.
 

Sounds like you've got a lot of stuff going on with this system.  I'd try removing all the cards, reseat the processor card, check for bad or leaky caps, and try booting with just a base configuration without all the add-ons.  If it boots normally without them, add the boards back one-by-one until the problem reoccurs.  If you're lucky it's just a loose processor board or something along those lines.  Very common problem in A4000's.

Yup, thats my next process this weekend when I have the time. Oh the joys of removing stuff LOL

[paul1981]

Your 68040.library version seems ok, but it doesn't rule out that it's not corrupted.
Corruption of files could be caused by incorrect mask setting if using a CF card as a hard drive on the internal IDE (A1200, A600, A4000).

Are you using SFS? Are you using your CF now or a real hard drive? I believe SFS has different versions depending on which CPU your Amiga has...so it's worth checking you're using the correct version.

Try replacing the 68040.library with the one from your OS Install disk (I think it resides on that disk anyway).

[tonyvdb]

Im using the Hard drive and its formatted using SFS It seems the TrueIDE adapter I got is not working so Ive abandoned trying to get the CF card going till I sort this out first.

Ill give replacing the 68040 file a try tonight (I did not have time to do anything with it last night). Thanks for everyone's help with this.

[tonyvdb]

Ok, so I got somewhere this weekend with it.

I pulled out the GVP SCSI card with the extra ram and then returned the SetPatch back to the original one. And it now boots up fine however the workbench is sowing only chip ram the "other mem" is reporting 0?
Why would that be?

I tried the CF card that I have with AmigaKits new OS 3.1 and it also boots fine into workbench but also shows 0 other mem

Update: striped it down to the main board only and got the fast ram to show up after taking them out and putting them back in. Gotta love the sockets they used!
So now just trying to get OS3.9 on the blank CF card and then I'm going to try to get that dumb TrueIDE adapter to work. Ugh! It should be so simple LOL