Nice a4000 060 f/s on ebay

[Lurch]

The reason for these skyrocketing prices is HOARDERS. Thats right, guys out there (many on this board ) with multiple amigas fully loaded (that they dont even use!) with rare parts. Meanwhile, guys who really want rare parts to build an amiga again or to upgrade an old machine are pretty much screwed.

 The irony is these very same guys start threads crying about ebay prices. How laughable.

Having said all this, we have to be proud that the Amiga platform commands high prices no atari, pc, or mac systems retain value like this.

I agree with this, in some cases I think I'm 10 years too late and missed out on the fair prices.

My dream machine is a fully decked out 4000D, not just to have it on display but to be able to use it. So I've aimed for a 1200 setup which is great, but if I mention 060 the price escalates far too high. So I'm very happy that Jen's is selling new hardware, although I do wish there were some new 060 boards about. Maybe then the prices will drop?

What the kicker is if I wanted to get into a fully loaded Atari I could pickup a rather nice system for $200NZD locally.

The mere mention of the word Amiga adds an extra $1000 to that price. The weird thing is it's only in small circles that the Amiga is a cool thing to be involved in.

If I mention my Amiga fetish to people outside of the retro circle i.e. 90% of the people I know they look at you in a very strange way. Even fellow computer geeks I know, so I keep it to myself.

Horders and people that camp on ebay auctions then re sell them on ebay at twice the price are what annoy me.

I've been outbid several times by a certain someone on ebay only to see them relist the item later on at a higher price.

:-)

[ChaosLord]

Personally, if I'm investing in a 4000 it would have to have PCI.
Then I could get a decent RTG card, like a VooDoo3 or A Radeon 9200.

+1

Otherwise, I'd look at a 3000 with an '040 or '060 processor
and one of Jen's neat flicker fixers (for better graphics modes).

-1

I am guessing u never owned an A3000 before?

u forgot that A3000 comes with a free built-in perfect flickerfixer that works in all modes.

[Bamiga2002]

@ bamiga:"lousy 4 meg video card".  Huh?  This card is equal quickest zorro 3 card you can buy, and with 4 MB I happily run 1440x1024 @ 16 bit.  Sure no scan doubler, but with my Indivision plugged into the CV64's pass through it is a brilliant set up.  

Just needs a an AHI soundcard and its the complete classic 68 k amiga.

To be frank I have no personal experience of an A4000 and any of its graphic cards, 4mb just sounds too little to me. When I had BVision it had 8mb and it could run out of graphics mem when I played some game etc. This particular Cybervision must run out memory pretty quickly if you eg. have a nice background pic on your WB and handle some graphics with it at the same time. But zorro III in itself must be quite fast.

[ChaosLord]

To be frank I have no personal experience of an A4000 and any of its graphic cards, 4mb just sounds too little to me.

It is too little.  Way too little.  Way way too little.  Ppl complain about A1200 having only 2MB chipmem but A1200 only uses 8-bit gfx.  Gfx cards use 32-bit gfx.  So 8MB on a gfx card at 640x512 is equivalent to 2MB on AGA.  IOW 8MB is way way way too small.  4MB is ugh.

 But zorro III in itself must be quite fast.

For games it makes no difference.  Games put all the gfx in the gfx card chipmem and then all gfx access takes place inside the gfx card.  That is the whole point of a gfx card: to not use the cpu to copy data around.

[midway]

It really depends on what you want to do with your amiga. I had both cv64 and cvppc in the 90s and i never ran out of video memory. Maybe os 4.1 needs more, no clue about that, but with 3.1 and probably 3.5 and 3.9 there is no prob. But 1500 is overpriced for a desktop 060 4000.

[AmigaClassicRule]

It is too little.  Way too little.  Way way too little.  Ppl complain about A1200 having only 2MB chipmem but A1200 only uses 8-bit gfx.  Gfx cards use 32-bit gfx.  So 8MB on a gfx card at 640x512 is equivalent to 2MB on AGA.  IOW 8MB is way way way too small.  4MB is ugh.




For games it makes no difference.  Games put all the gfx in the gfx card chipmem and then all gfx access takes place inside the gfx card.  That is the whole point of a gfx card: to not use the cpu to copy data around.

Am I taking it that it is not worth getting the A4000?

Why are Amiga hardware becoming so expensive anyways? :bitch:

[Iggy]

You would add a Flicker Fixer to an A3000? And more compact until you need CDROM access or a 3.5" Front Plate access? If you want compact, then look into an A600. Oh, no Mediator for a Plain-Jane A3000, so no Voodoo or Radeon.

Yeah, I know the limitations, but they're even worse for the A600.
I'd like to have RTG, but I can live with one of Jen's cards.
And the A3000 has some nice processor options, plus I can install a Buster11.
 
Also, I just narrowly missing getting an A3000 when the bidding went to $265.
Why would I want to spend $1000 or more on an A4000?

[Iggy]

+1
 
 
-1
 
I am guessing u never owned an A3000 before?
 
u forgot that A3000 comes with a free built-in perfect flickerfixer that works in all modes.

Yes, but it doesn't provide the new graphics modes that Jen's device does.

[LoadWB]

Yes, but it doesn't provide the new graphics modes that Jen's device does.

Yeah, with the A3000 being ECS, and the Inidivision ECS providing dual screens, I'd say that easily trumps the built-in Amber.

It really depends on what you want to do with your amiga. I had both cv64 and cvppc in the 90s and i never ran out of video memory. Maybe os 4.1 needs more, no clue about that, but with 3.1 and probably 3.5 and 3.9 there is no prob. But 1500 is overpriced for a desktop 060 4000.

My Picasso IV is 4MB, and I'm using my Workbench at 1152x864 at 24-bit color.  So that 4MB works fine for me.  Were I using a PCI board I would definitely go for more so I could push widescreen or at least 1600x1200 24-bit.

[Oldsmobile_Mike]

Yeah, with the A3000 being ECS, and the Inidivision ECS providing dual screens, I'd say that easily trumps the built-in Amber.

The Indivision also provides HighGfx (1024x768) and supposedly is more consistent (works better, with more different types of monitors) than Amber alone.

And +1 to all the comments about hoarders, you guys in Europe have it easy, where I'm at you're lucky to find one Amiga for sale per year!  

[haywirepc]

I'd love to someday have an amiga 4000, or most especially an amiga 4000T someday. But someday may never come with the prices I have seen...

And thats just the base system, then I'd want an 060, scandoubler, maybe
a rtg card and a few other upgrades...

I have gotten by on lesser machines, but still always wanted the pinnacle...
That was the computer that in my younger days I would have killed for, or it
felt like it when I'd see it in magazines when it first came out.

Today, when I'm feeling nostalgic...
I survive on emulation,imagining I own an amiga 5000 or better. Yes its super fast, yes it can run anything you throw at it, But its really not the same.
Aros is my other outlet lately, since any cheap pc can run it.

I still hope someday I will own an amiga 4000 or 4000T. I just had a kid though,so its not looking good... Extra money for such things is hard to come by when you have a rugrat to worry about. :evil:

If I bought this particular amiga 4000, I would be incredibly happy. That is, until my amiga and me became homeless when my wife found out.

:razz:

[danbeaver]

The Indivision also provides HighGfx (1024x768) and supposedly is more consistent (works better, with more different types of monitors) than Amber alone.

And +1 to all the comments about hoarders, you guys in Europe have it easy, where I'm at you're lucky to find one Amiga for sale per year!  

You want an Amiga for sale? A2000 Basic with HDD (refurbed with Coin battery, A2091 with AMD SCSI 2MB RAM, 7.0 ROM's and 1GB HDD)? An A2500HD loaded with a Toaster, TBC IV, 68040 @28MHz + 32 MB 32-bit RAM, aGVP Impact II with 4MB and GuruRom, SCSI Card reader, Thylacine USB, A2065 Network card with HP AUI + Wireless Ethernet bridge, Retina 4MB RTG, Indivision ECS, and CDROM? Or an A3000 68030 @ 25MHz, 2/16MB RAM, 128MB Zoram, ISDN Surfer with Subway USB, GVP EGS Sectrum 4MB, Buster 11, AMD SCSI, and 36GB HDD? Or an A4000T so loaded that I don't have the time to list it?

Then "ring-me-up," Dude.

[magnetic]

. This particular Cybervision must run out memory pretty quickly if you eg. have a nice background pic on your WB and handle some graphics with it at the same time. But zorro III in itself must be quite fast.

Not at all. In fact i'd say you would be hard pressed to run out of Video ram with this board on classic.  The only thing that would stress it would be runing near modern 3d games, but even then you could run the typical amiga far like Heretic, Quake, etc no probs.

[Damion]

To be frank I have no personal experience of an A4000 and any of its graphic cards, 4mb just sounds too little to me. When I had BVision it had 8mb and it could run out of graphics mem when I played some game etc. This particular Cybervision must run out memory pretty quickly if you eg. have a nice background pic on your WB and handle some graphics with it at the same time. But zorro III in itself must be quite fast.

4MB actually isn't bad, as long as you don't get too carried away with the resolution - 1280x1024x16 on an '060 already gets pretty slow, 1024x768x16 is about ideal IMHO. I run fairly decent sized backdrops, and things still remain zippy. If you run out of VRAM, swapping over the Zorro bus slows things down a bit but isn't too terrible (esp on Z3). I can't think of any games that would stress a CV64 or PIV whatsoever (obviously a different story with PPC and B/CVision).

PIV and CV64 also have the benefit of awesome auto-switching scandoubler action. But yeah, for sheer performance, high resolutions, etc, I'm sure PCI blows the old Zorro boards away. It's also much easier and cheaper to replace a broken VooDoo or Radeon than a PIV...

[Ami_GFX]

The seller has had some offers but the A4000 is still for sale. I find it a bit overpriced but my experience both as an ebay buyer and seller tells me that he will get his price if he waits long enough--patience is a real virtue on eBay. I've both bought things cheaply and sold them at a good price by being patient and waiting.

I'd love to someday have an amiga 4000, or most especially an amiga 4000T someday. But someday may never come with the prices I have seen...

Back in the day when this stuff was new, it sold at even more fantastic prices in 1990s dollars. Then there was a golden era when it was discarded and neglected and sold for pennies on the dollar. I got interested in Amigas again just at the very last of that era--around 2006--and was delighted to find that all the gear in Amiga World that I could never afford in the 90s could be found on eBay for prices within my reach. I bought lots of it and ended up selling a lot of what I bought. In spite of the generally inflated prices, I still find good deals on eBay and bit by bit have built my A4000 into a really nice classic machine. Don't despair because of listings like this, keep looking if you want an A4000 and one will come up at a more reasonable price. I know from experience because I sold a project A4000 last year when I was broke for under $200 knowing the amount of time and work and knowledge it would take to get it working again. Not every seller out there is out for the maximum price. Some of us just want to get what we really think it's worth.