Order on Plantiff's Motion in Thendic Amiga Case

[Nybbler]

@mikeymike

I don't see any mention of AmigaDE on the Tao website, nor the Sun website, and:

I was going to say "I know, that's odd", but then I re-read it. If you look at that link I gave earlier, then the 3rd paragraph under Tao has the text "...Tao's implementation is also at the heart of the new Amiga system, which capitalizes on its comprehensive multimedia capabilities...". Admittedly it doesn't explicitly say AmigaDE, but it's in relation to Tao's intent, so it must be.  :-)

As for the Tao website, well I couldn't find anything except     Amiga Incorporated has entered into a strategic relationship with Tao Group for the New Amiga from back in 2000. There might be more, but I coudln't find a search function on their site.

"The environment provides a high performance, low resource development service set that allows for the development of Assembler, C/C++ and pJava content"

could just be a text editor.

Yeah, I suppose that is rather vague, but it definitely is not just an IDE. I've had the SDK from early on, and although I'm not using Java very much, I have seen and run Java apps under AmigaDE. If you're still not convinced then I'd have to just show you!  :-D

And this especially worries me:
"The first step in developing for the AmigaDE is to purchase the AmigaSDK, which will involve the signing of an Amiga Developer's NDA available here"

Yeah, that's an odd one. You don't actually HAVE to sign the NDA, if you can find a copy of the original SDK in a shop, but if you do then you can have access to much more info.

I was quite happy to sign the NDA as it's an emerging technology, and as such they don't want to publish all their work-in-progress without protecting themselves. It's what lots of IT (and I guess other) companies do. It may be that the data from Tao would require an NDA anyway? (I don't know, maybe not).

Have you even seen a demo of the SDK first-hand?

Rob  :-)

[vortexau]

mikeymike asked:

Could you back up what you're saying with a reasonable source? I don't see anything on the Amiga website about it running Java.

See Why do you need intent? . . .

intent's high performance solution, which is independent of hardware, operating system and language, includes an unmatched level of audio and graphics capabilities and is now the ratified contents platform of the Open Contents Platform Association, an organization formed by world leading technology corporations in 2001. The intent platform can also incorporate Tao's Sun Microsystems branded and authorized Java™ specifications for client devices, running multimedia applications many times faster than even the most effective alternatives.

[mikeymike]

I still see a definite lack of the name "AmigaDE" in conjunction with all that :-)

[Martyn]

I still see a definite lack of the name "AmigaDE" in conjunction with all that

Maybe I don't understand it right myself, but I thought AmigaDE was a layer on top of intent.  Thus if you've got AmigaDE you've by definition got intent and, therefore, Java.

[IonDeluxe]

Amiga Inc. didn't do any of the work on OS4, but were set to skim a sizeable portion of Hyperion's sales profit margin. If that's not getting money from someone else's hard work, I don't know what is.

Thats called a contract.Both parties feel they get something out of it or it would not be signed.

BBRV on the otherhand is trying to use legal wranglings to effectively steal other peoples work.Thats a big difference in my book.

[angrybrit]

@IonDeluxe

BBRV on the otherhand is trying to use legal wranglings to effectively steal other peoples work.Thats a big difference in my book.

BBRV never wanted to steal other people's work.  He even offer to pay for the port to the Pegasos. :roll:

Why do you want to see harm be done to MorphOS users?

[IonDeluxe]

What he was doing was trying to take OS4 from those that own it. Thats stealing in my book.

We all know what BBRV offers and what he actually delivers are two very different things. Go ask Hyperion for thier pegasos board for example.

I have never wished harm done to Morphos users.

[angrybrit]

I have never wished harm done to Morphos users.

I have never heard of BB wanting to steal AmigaOS4.

[DaveP]

but were set to skim a sizeable portion of Hyperion's sales profit margin

:rtfm:

You know that for a fact KennyR?  

I don't think you are right, because it contradicts with many things that I know.

[AlK]

I still see a definite lack of the name "AmigaDE" in conjunction with all that

Not AmigaDE, but "Amiga" is still mentioned in the latest intent whitepapers available linked here, (the international one, I'm not a US resident.. ;-)) page 13 as providing a "specific gaming engine and emulator" alongside Criterion, Hi Corp, Spectrum, .. What else should that refer to but AmigaDE?

Further, Amiga, Inc. is yet on the partner links page.

Ironically, AmigaInc. is now back to what they were at the beginning of 2000, developing the "Amiga operating environment" aka "Amie" aka "AmigaDE". If, I say if, they are considered to have made a u-Turn in between they now have completed their 360 degree turn and whilst spinning the AmigaOne (I type this on) and AmigaOS4  were catapulted out through the centrifugal power.. ;-) (both of which otherwise would not be there, realistically)

Ciao, Alex

[Kronos]

@IonDeluxe

And what would you call those famous coupons ?
Everyone (except you offcourse) knows that AInc
will never ever pay those back, and in the light
of current findings it even seems rather obvious
that AInc allready knew it at a time the came up
with the "I am Am^H^H KMOS"-scheme.

What remains to be seen is wether they stole that
money from costumer, or if it will somehow cripple
Eyetechs/Hayperions profit-margin.

[DanDude]

I have a new nickname for Billy Buck, but I probably lose my posting priveledges if mentioned it public, so I'm not.  It comes to mind how narrow-minded these people are when they cry and beg, and later sue your pants off.   :bigcry: Amigaworld's staff participating in MorphOS' site discussion?  Hmmm....

[IonDeluxe]

have never heard of BB wanting to steal AmigaOS4.

Well let us consider that he *knew* Amiga Inc was out of money, knew that could not defend himself and still moved forward with a spurious application to get the source (OS4 is AMiga DE according to him) and so on which he *knew* would be unopposed and hence default to him.

That is stealing in my book and if you disagree thats your right, but it is an attempt to take something which did not belong to him.

And what would you call those famous coupons ?

I call them unrelated to the subject at hand and as such off topic.

Everyone (except you offcourse) knows that AInc will never ever pay those back

Got a crystal ball do you?
Phsychic perhaps?
Maybe Fleecy send Bill Buck a letter telling him so?

and in the light
of current findings it even seems rather obvious
that AInc allready knew it at a time the came up
with the "I am Am^H^H KMOS"-scheme.

this just does not make any sense

What remains to be seen is wether they stole that
money from costumer, or if it will somehow cripple
Eyetechs/Hayperions profit-margin.

Make up your mind, either they have or they have not stolen that money. After all "EVERYONE KNOWS".

Even if they did not pay, it would not cripple Hyperion or eyetech as they have absolutely NOTHING to do with any offer Amiga Inc. had had or possibley will have in the future.

If they do not fork out the cash when Hyperion releases OS4 then I may very well join the mindless mob after thier blood for such a dishonest practise, but not before.

[Darth_X]

have a new nickname for Billy Buck, but I probably lose my posting priveledges if mentioned it public

It wouldn't bother me if you lost your posting priviledges :-D