AmigaOne in Toulouse

[4pLaY]

Hmm i bet there is not more then perhaps 50? boards out there! and since NO ONE (i dont count computer city) has admitted to receiving them i guess no end users have received any! and then its back to me having doubts about the whole thing again.

[Orgin]

I'm sure you can find contact information to eyetech on their website. They know all about this issue ;o)

/Björn

[4pLaY]

Hehe why waste my time? ive already spoken to the 3 last amiga "shops" in norway they all tried several times to order AmigaOnes from Eyetech! and didnt even get any reply back so im not getting my hopes up for this thing.

[Orgin]

I see ;o)

/Björn

[z5]

Quite frankly, the only surprise i want is OS4.0 beta running on a dev board. All the rest isn't important.

I've got the impression that they are dev boards out there as it seems some ppl have been really silent the last weeks (like Ole-gil). Dunno what the secrecy is good for though? :-?

[bhoggett]

Quite frankly, the only surprise i want is OS4.0 beta running on a dev board. All the rest isn't important.

I don't think you'll get to see that in Toulouse. I'm not sure whether the AOS4 kernel is ready yet - though I suspect not - and unless everything has also been ported to PPC and the new kernel, you'd need the 68k emulation in place, whcih would be a problem because Petunia is unlikely to be anywhere near a state of completion to perform that role.

[redrumloa]

I don't think you'll get to see that in Toulouse.

I doubt it to, however it is a nice dream:-)

Petunia is unlikely to be anywhere near a state of completion to perform that role.

No? I thought Petunia(I hate that name) was pretty complete.

[bhoggett]

No? I thought Petunia(I hate that name) was pretty complete.

To reply, I'd first have to point you to The Petunia benchmark thread on ANN. Read comments 17, 20 and 25 from Bernd Meyer, and the reply in comment 38 from Álmos Rajnai.

Based on his own previous experience, Mr. Meyer privately thinks it unlikely that Petunia will be fully functional before the end of this year at the earliest, and while neither he or I know exactly how Petunia is progressing, I'm tempted to trust in his experience and assume that he won't be far wrong. (Notice that this is his private opinion, and should not be used to start another FUD flamefest,)

[Hattig]

Well, it is hardly a "private opinion" if he is posting it on a public message board.

Fact is, the software appears to be running integer-only binaries reasonably fine right now. FPU emulation can be safely missed out as well as most Amiga software was available with both FPU and non-FPU versions. That functionality can come with an OS update like 4.2. As long as the JIT emulator gets a majority of 68k OS-compliant software to run, it will suffice for the initial release.

I don't know when OS4 will be available, it appears to be at least around August as far as I can see. Since that thread there will have been a couple more months to get Petunia integrated into OS4 and solving any remaining problems not related to the dual-CPU architecture of the test boards.

[anarchic_teapot]

Hattig wrote:Well, it is hardly a "private opinion" if he is posting it on a public message board.

Ah the wonders of the English language. Bill H meant Bernd Meyer was posting his personal opinion as a private individual.

As long as the JIT emulator gets a majority of 68k OS-compliant software to run, it will suffice for the initial release.

I just hope we don't get something too buggy at the outset and then wait ages for a patch or update.

[bhoggett]

Ah the wonders of the English language. Bill H meant Bernd Meyer was posting his personal opinion as a private individual.

Slight correction: I was posting Bernd Meyer's personal opinion, so if anyone is to be flamed for it, it's me.

For me, the fact that this was his personal opinion mentioned in private e-mailand not posted to the Net, only serves to strengthen my belief that it is a honest assessment, and not a politically motivated one.

[bhoggett]

Well, it is hardly a "private opinion" if he is posting it on a public message board.

He isn't. See my reply to Rose.

Fact is, the software appears to be running integer-only binaries reasonably fine right now.

It runs some integer only binaries now, binaries which have a certain type of code. That's what the thread on ANN was about, and why I posted those references.

As long as the JIT emulator gets a majority of 68k OS-compliant software to run, it will suffice for the initial release.

Absolutely, but I don't believe it has reached that stage yet, nor does Mr. Meyer.  You are free to believe whatever you want, of course.

I don't know when OS4 will be available, it appears to be at least around August as far as I can see.

If you think you will get AOS4 in August, be my guest. In my view, even if AOS4 was fully functional now, a proper OS beta-testing cycle would mean an autumn release at best. Since I don't believe that the kernel is finished yet, I suspect AOS4 will take even longer to be released, not even counting any Petunia induced delays. And that is my personal opinion, of course.  ;-)

[jtsiren]

According to our Finnish dealer, AmigaOne developer boards heading here have been delayed. A notice of "a few weeks of delay" was posted on June 10th. This would mean a delay of over one month of the promised April-May shipping.

But I'm glad some boards our out there. I'd be happy to hear why the delay, though. My question on the official AmigaOne mailing list seemed to go unanswered.

[J]

I do wonder what the 'surprise' is?

I'm sure it's not a Beta OS 4 so perhaps..

a) A G4, socketed board prototype?
b)  A price reduction on the A1G3-SE

Cheers,

J

[ilgulamc]

cause those people got a dev-board along with an early alpha AOS4, that's why they are so silent, no wonder, i'll be silent aswell!!