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[AmigaMance]

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[da9000]

Wayne wrote:
Likewise, in this "free Internet world", people assume (badly I'm afraid) that they have the right to say whatever they want, then whine and complain when it offends someone. The Internet, in a very big way, is contributing to the delinquency of society as the very kids who were just getting into computers when the Internet came into popularity are now becoming parents themselves.

Respect.

[da9000]

Hans wrote:
I agree with many of your points, but that may be because I come from an ethnically diverse country that celebrates this diversity. I'm used to dealing with people that are different from me. Not everyone is though. I've also found that most people truly believe that they can see the other side of the coin, but that no-one else can see their side.

A funny "oximoron" that I face daily when living in an ethnically diverse country is that because it's their way, they also think that everyone else should be ethincally diverese and "open minded" (because it's not "open mindedness" we have; when there is NO OTHER CHOICE, it's all you got. Open minded would be an African that accepted whites in his own country, even though they have pillaged his world... It's by choice, not by force/circumstance that makes one have an open mind).

So basically, the USA takes the role of world police, trying to "tell" (with bombs?) everyone that the "right" way is democracy and ethnic diversity, and at the same time that "freedom of speech and choice" is a basic write, is oximoronic at best. Well, guess what? Arabs don't want ethnic diversity, and that's by choice. If you're not a hypocrit, then you leave them alone, because then you respect their freedom of choice. Not what we're doing.

Now, don't get me wrong, I think proper democratic institutions would benefit most peoples, but they should chose it for themselves.

And when I say that having NO ethnic diversity is ok, I don't mean all French kill every German that steps in Paris, but treat them with civility, even if that's less than they would treat their own (within bounds of course, which would be more or less common around the world). And I say this, because frankly, I'd prefer the Japanese to keep on eating rice and fish (mmm, sushi ROCKS), and the Belgians and Germans drinking good thick ales, and the French their croissants (sp?), and and and, because when I travel to those countries, I'd rather it be like I went to another planet and not all McDonald & Walmart riddled, with "cookie cutter" homes, etc. There's plenty of that here. No need for more. No need for 1984.

So, cheers to limited unbound ethnic diversity and unlimited world diversity!

[da9000]

MarkTime wrote:

Yes, I agree.  You do sound very old when you say that.  It's pretty much what every older generation says about the next.  Just copy and paste.  

But I love to argue with you, and why, you were making a point.  And you are right, internet is changing society.   One way this is obvious is in language trends.  Most smaller languages (less than 100,000 speakers) are dying at an incredible pace.  Only the largest languages...English, Spanish, Chinese...and about 5 others, I won't name them all, are hanging on.  And I attribute this to a smaller world...people don't live in isolation as much, and children tend to adopt the dominate language when given a choice, and English, being the codepage that all our computers have, is the biggest benefactor of technologies progress.

I know this is all boring to us internet users, and quick I better make a joke or flash a picture of a naked woman, because I'm losing the audience with this crap....

but, if someone were to guess the future, a future, with fewer languages, is one of the biggest things to happen to humanity in thousands of years, if you ask me.  I know a lot of English speakers, think this trend is great.

But it will be like killing off French in Lousianna (or Hawaiian in Hawaii).  It sounded great until after it was successful.  Then the legislature went back and adopted acadian as an official language.  (and similarly in Hawaii, they set up Hawaiian immerson schools to try to save the language from extinction) Suddenly states realized they had been benefiting from diversity...being a cookie cutter image of every other state does nothing for tourism.

And as a student of language...thinking is different in different languages...different types of thinking can be good for comparison purposes.  Still, good or bad, the world is going to march forward and change.

All we can do, is think what we can do, to influence the direction of change, for the better.

HUGE RESPECT.

One little thing I want to add is something that I've heard in the past and I'm always interested in hearing more scientific studies about: the language you speak, dictates the way you think. Plurality of languages might even enhance your thinking, because you can think from different approaches and angles. And to add to this, all the "old world" thinkers, philosophers and scientists that are the giants upon which the world of today stands, most of them spoke a multitude of languages. Something to think about.

[da9000]

Roj wrote:

Wayne wrote:
Trouble is, having not been taught etiquette, debate, and how to responsibly handle free expression, these "kids" who are now becoming parents have no idea how to raise a responsible child.

(continuing off-topic)

This is good stuff, and I agree with nearly everything you've said, Wayne, but I don't think just the ability to verbally hammer others without reprisal is the cause. I'm sure the real cause runs much deeper and is topic for a different forum. There are still many things that are perfectly legal, yet remain socially unacceptable. We're getting to the point in our society where our governments feel it necessary to instate laws that cover every little corner of life because people just can't straighten up and fly right on their own.

Roj, you should re-read Wayne's post. He clearly states the reason:

"Trouble is, having not been taught etiquette, debate, and how to responsibly handle free expression, these "kids" who are now becoming parents have no idea how to raise a responsible child."

The key word is "taught". Kids aren't taught properly. This points to the major culprit: the parents. Not school, because school won't do jack when your parents don't do the proper job of a parent: to teach values and etiquette. It's also laughable to think that the government can do anything about this.

Nothing "deeper" to look for or investigate (other than why are parents not doing their jobs right; could it be broken families, etc? that certainly is another topic of discussion)

[da9000]

MY APOLOGY:

I'm sorry if I "re-opened" this thread. I don't even know how I stumbled up on it. BUT, at least, I stayed COMPLETELY off topic :-D  Nothing about AW or AO or MO or whatever. It's obvious as self-modifying code which one I prefer, anyways ;-)

[ltstanfo]

OK folks....

This thread has run its course.  Time to put it to bed.

As of now this thread is locked.  If you want to restart it, please do so in the coffee house.

Regards,
Ltstanfo