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Re: Free doorstop! Packaged and ready to ship!
« Reply #29 from previous page: December 22, 2006, 10:08:12 AM »
@Crumb

Again, the driver is not the issue.  The Elbox Spider I/II come with a driver.  It's the USB stack, Poseidon, that is not available.  You can not register Poseidon for ArakAttack either.
Time to move on.  Bye Amiga.org.  :(
 

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Re: Free doorstop! Packaged and ready to ship!
« Reply #30 on: December 22, 2006, 12:23:44 PM »
Does any of this affect it's function as a doorstop?


 :-D  :-D  :-D

If memory serves, wasn't there some rediculous fee for USB development licensing?
 

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Re: Free doorstop! Packaged and ready to ship!
« Reply #31 on: December 22, 2006, 03:46:47 PM »
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huronking wrote:
Does any of this affect it's function as a doorstop?

 :-D  :-D  :-D

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I hope not! :-) Thanks for the humor. Working in support, I need that once in a while...

Well anyway, it may not even function as a doorstop because it's so very light in weight.

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Re: Free doorstop! Packaged and ready to ship!
« Reply #32 on: December 23, 2006, 01:28:52 AM »
OpenPCI does not support Mediator. The OpenPCI page is very misleading as it says in one place that it does and in another that it doesn't. But the fact is, if it did it would be a lot easier for us. OpenPCI drivers do not work on the mediator (if anyone has gotten them to work please let us know how). :-)

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February 9, 2003:
- OpenPci.library v1.0 (with powerpci.library 1.76 for Amithlon included)

Information: The mediator support of a well-known company is definitively canceled because of their poor developer policy and their questionable attitude towards customers.
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The problem in this case was that Elbox wasn't willing to open source their drivers. But fair enough. OpenPCI is open by definition so I can see why they do not want to support the Mediator.

I agree that calling Chris a loser is definitely an exaggeration, after all, we all must recognise his talent and contribution to the Amiga. On the other hand, if he were a person who really valued his own hard work why on earth would he reject registrations for his product? After all, if I am a Windows user and I want to register a program I am never going to use why shouldn't I be able to do that if I want to?

For instance, I haven't got an Xbox, but I bought its controller, and rewired it in order to use it on the PC because I wanted to. Should Microsoft imposed me to present my Xbox at the local store or else they wouldn't sell me the controller? It wouldn't make sense, would it?

Then again this is the last comment he posted on his website:

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Small update (21.12.06):
Although Elb*x subbornly state that they have an agreement with me, this is not valid for several years now. This agreement has been canceled. Elb*x knows this very well.
[...]


Ok, there might or might not be an agreement. It's his word against theirs. Depending on the jurisdiction a verbal agreement might have the same value as the written one, but I'm not going to go into that. There is no way to know...

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And some notice to some of the Elb*x fan boys out there demanding legal action against me for not selling them licences: Get a life! Using or spreading an illegal keyfile is still piracy, no matter if the product is abandoned or not.
[...]


"Elbox fan boys"? Isn't this a bit harsh? Just because you are buying hardware from perhaps the only classic amiga hardware manufacturer that makes you a "fan boy"? Besides, did anyone actually threathen him with a legal action? That sounds silly. Yes, we all know that you cannot use an illegal keyfile, no debating there.

Dude, if you don't want money for your product either you already have enough and maybe you should release the product for free?! Either that or destroy it alltogether...

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I expect to see some cracking instructions for Poseidon on the Mediator mailing list (which is ruled by the kings of censorship and spindoctorism themselves) rather than anything constructive.


This doesn't make sense. The Mediator mailing list is simply made by users trying to help each other with hw/sw issues and I certanly wouldn't define it as "ruled by kings of censorship". The ML has had its fair share of Elbox criticisms. I don't think the moderators would ever allow "craking instructions" to be posted, and I suppose you could call that "censorhip" if you like.
 

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Re: Free doorstop! Packaged and ready to ship!
« Reply #33 on: December 23, 2006, 02:12:30 AM »
Looking at those pictures, I think that it would only be good at stopping small doors. :-P
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Re: Free doorstop! Packaged and ready to ship!
« Reply #34 on: December 23, 2006, 08:16:20 AM »
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alenppc wrote:
OpenPCI does not support Mediator. The OpenPCI page is very misleading as
it says in one place that it does and in another that it doesn't. But the
fact is, if it did it would be a lot easier for us. OpenPCI drivers do not
work on the mediator (if anyone has gotten them to work please let us know
how). :-)


The latest version does, well, somehow. Because the memory  management  for
"DMA  memory"  is virtually non-existant in the Elbox pci.library, it won't
work that well.

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The problem in this case was that Elbox wasn't willing to open source their
drivers. But fair enough. OpenPCI is open by definition so I can see why
they do not want to support the Mediator.


No, this was not the problem. This was not about open-sourcing *their*
code. OpenPCI is not open-source itself and was never to become. No, Elbox
simply refuses to let people write drivers using OpenPCI, which would THEN
also be available for other PCI solutions. Even a USB driver would have
been possible that way (and ArakAttack is actually this driver), but then
Elbox couldn't have made a fortune in selling a bog standard USB PCI card
for a >50 EUR that costs them less than a tenth of that selling price.

OpenPCI for Mediator would have been a benefit for lots of users at that
time, but Elbox decided that the monopolious realm was more important to
them.

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Ok, there might or might not be an agreement. It's his word against theirs.
Depending on the jurisdiction a verbal agreement might have the same value
as the written one, but I'm not going to go into that. There is no way to
know...


Somebody recently asked on A.org about the worst decision made connected to
Amiga, for me it was offering Elbox to write a driver for Poseidon. Lots of
people warned me, especially after the experiences with the Picasso96 team,
Warp3D,  OpenPCI,  but  I  thought  I  should  give them a chance. It was a
mistake I still regret and that had caused me a lot of grief.

After all those mud-slinging, libel, illegal RDB killing software, denials,
{bleep}ting PR campaigns, censorship (since Elbox has taken over the
moderation of the Amiga-Mediator List, it's being massively censored!),
word-twisting etc. I now know better. And the thing is: the users support
this "company" after all!

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"Elbox fan boys"? Isn't this a bit harsh?
[...] Besides, did anyone actually threathen him with a legal action?


http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Amiga-Mediator/message/18140

"If you don't act legaly against him, both u suffer
from profit losses and us users who already have the
spider and no poseidon are screwed, because we're
stuck with a board that is of no use to us."

"I'm just saying: Take it to him
and force him to change his stance legaly!"

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Yes, we all know that you cannot use an illegal keyfile, no debating there.


http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Amiga-Mediator/message/18141

"Should the keys now be release free into he public domain so existing user
benefit from them?"

And the best bits:

"We have no idea why Chris Hodges goes along this line once again."

Ya right. Reading and thinking would do the trick.

"This info was also translated and forwarded by one Mediator user (thanks
Valwit!) to www.amiga-news.de, so Chris Hodges knows it."

Along with some more attempts to slander me and Michael Böhmer of E3B,
which was not involved here.

And now, the climax:

"> Will they be providing replacement software?

Possibly, especially when Chris Hodges refunds us the
costs of writing by Elbox drivers to his USB stack.
Writing of such EHCI drivers is about six months of
software programmer."

WTF! I didn't order them to write a driver, they were free to do so!

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Dude, if you don't want money for your product either you already have
enough and maybe you should release the product for free?! Either that or
destroy it alltogether...


Well, that's solely my decision, isn't it? And  how  would  I  be  able  to
"destroy it alltogether"?

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I expect to see some cracking instructions for Poseidon on the Mediator
mailing list (which is ruled by the kings of censorship and spindoctorism
themselves) rather than anything constructive.


This doesn't make sense. The Mediator mailing list is simply made by users
trying to help each other with hw/sw issues and I certanly wouldn't define
it as "ruled by kings of censorship". The ML has had its fair share of
Elbox criticisms. I don't think the moderators would ever allow "craking
instructions" to be posted, and I suppose you could call that "censorhip"
if you like.


The former moderators (who did a good job) transferred the ownership to
Elbox. Elbox is now blocking any message that is against them; Jens
Schönfeld and Michael Böhmer for example are censored by default. There's
no way there to speak up against their {bleep}ting.

Anyway, I might find a way to exclude Elbox products only from the next
releases on, so I can resume giving out keyfile to the classic Amigans and
Amithlon users out there.

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Re: Free doorstop! Packaged and ready to ship!
« Reply #35 on: December 23, 2006, 10:03:36 PM »

Hi Chris, I appreciate you taking the time to reply here and explain your point of view.

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Anyway, I might find a way to exclude Elbox products only from the next releases on, so I can resume giving out keyfile to the classic Amigans and Amithlon users out there.


That IMHO, would be the best solution. If you don't want to support the mediator that of course is your right, and at least the other classic users would not be penalised becase of it.