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Re: EU to ban violent games?
« Reply #14 from previous page: January 19, 2007, 03:00:28 AM »
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countzero wrote:
I think if there's a game to be banned, it must be grand theft auto(and sequels).


You are being sarcastic I hope.

Anyway I really wouldn't worry about this, at least not for people outside of Germany, they might get shafted by the idiotic nannying of their govt. but there's no way the EU has the power or the political will to legislate something like this.

Plaz: I think the WW thing is a bit too much, not all Germans are nazis, and no one's hands are clean when it comes to war. Every country (with the possible exception of Luxemburg) has done things that are shameful in that regard.

Edit: From the wiki article on one of the supporters of the ban:

'Schäuble is criticised by many for his strong conservative views and his pursuing of law and order politics; his remarks about the 2006 football world cup's security (demanding to put tanks in front of the stadiums if necessary) and his decision to opt out of the Schengen agreement during the world cup were frowned upon by many. He is commonly seen by civil rights activists, together with Otto Schily and Günter Beckstein, as one of the most rigid, authoritarian politicians in Germany.'

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Re: EU to ban violent games?
« Reply #15 on: January 19, 2007, 03:05:28 AM »
Not at all.
Quake, half life, and CS all put you in specific fictional scenarios where you fight fictional enemies. In GTA style games, you are in the city and exercise direct violence on the innocent people. I'm sure that stuff can be an incentive for some crack nuts, as a matter of fact I seem to remember a juvenile going a shotgun spree under the influence of GTA, but I'm not sure ... possibly in the US though where that kind of stuff is common anyway.
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Re: EU to ban violent games?
« Reply #16 on: January 19, 2007, 03:14:06 AM »
You don't remember a minor going on a killing spree because of GTA, no one goes on a killing spree because of video games. There is at this point zero evidence to support the notion that violent games make people act violently in real life. Or any media for that matter. This kid, if he existed had serious mental and emotional problems, he was already a violent person and would have killed regardless of what games he played, what music he listened to, what films he watched or what books he read (don't hear that one often do ya, no one ever blamed a school shooting on LOTR).

Seriously, I used to play GTA all the time (San Andreas was crap so I stopped after a few days of that) and I've never considered killing someone. Hell I've only ever been in one fight in my life - which the other guy started. My Nephews have been playing GTA for years, one since he could pick up a dualshock, and they're both perfectlly normal; well maybe not, but they're not violent kids.

Edit: CS is a fictional scenario? I just have to bring that one up. CS is a game in which you can choose to play a terrorist with the goal of commiting various terrorist acts while killing government soldiers - the counter-terrorists. Terrorists are not fiction, regardless of how much fiction the American and British govts. manufacture about them. Not BTW that I think CS encourages terrorist activities, just pointing it out is all.
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Re: EU to ban violent games?
« Reply #17 on: January 19, 2007, 03:28:05 AM »
I do not say that all people playing GTA are subject going to killing sprees, but it can trigger some switches in some people.

Well. CS may or may not be fiction. My point is, it takes place whole in a confined area, where you fight your enemy and not anyone else, AFAIK.
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Re: EU to ban violent games?
« Reply #18 on: January 19, 2007, 10:35:44 AM »
Bleh, Barnacles to all of it. This is when I'm going to go on my conservative soapbox that people hate so much. Guess what, shut up and listen.

I just love how people say that video games make a violent child this, or that. Maybe television can do that too. By the way, where are the parents of these kids that are getting to be violent? I can almost guarantee that a good majority are a bunch of power mad stuffy liberal types that are too damn self  absorbed with their political, financial, social agenda pushing they aren't even paying attention to their own children.

Then you will have the broken families that would be the single mothers that will have almost family backing to raise the children either. Many of these women usually set their kids off to the side and let the tv or video games 'babysit' them so they can either work or do whatever they do. Many usually sit in the social welfare circle because society tells them that no one will hire them because of their educational status, or this or that. Way to clip someones wings off before someone can fly.

I think more friends and families should get involved with problems like that instead of the so called social do gooders in most of the governmental branches. I think that too many people in the world give control to society for  the responsiblities of our families. It's all about immediate and self control, not govermental control.

Too many people don't know how to raise their kids and let them run loose, the government steps in and sets ups rules. People have no clue how on how to pick out a healthy meal, so they whine and complain about "trans fats" and "Big Food". Bam, the government comes in, wrecks businesses, and forces them to do this and that.  Since when has a greasy hamburger and fries been healthy anyways? Nobody was forced by gun point to eat it. Why do people do that, because of all the stupid things the society lets people get away with. A lot of these bans on trans fats and stuff are just agenda driven pieces of rubble. They are passed under the guise of "public health" concerns, but in actuality are in place because the general public is been rendered too incapable of caring for themselves.

With that said, lets talk about how society has made it so easy for people to shrug responsibility for things, including actually having a job, that many people don't have them. A lot of people get to have social welfare handouts. When you have a population that has families that thrive on this crap for generations, it would be like letting healthy people sit around in wheelchairs from birth, then trying to make them walk on their eighth birthday. They basically encourage the poor to get fat and lazy. Seriously.

I've actually seen people in my state get on our public transportation buses with no jobs, because they are too "poor" to afford a vehicle, just to go visit with other people. Yes, that is correct. These people that don't want to work because they are "oppressed", live in a terrible socially "depressed" conditions, are so bored they have to go visit people during the time they could be looking for a job. Eventually I will see some of these same people end up at the grocery store (that's if I even have ANY money to go) buying loads of of unhealthy food with their welfare benefit  money (I rememeber one woman had three kids, a basket full of soda, meat, and almost no vegetables.)

I have personally known quite a few of these in the catagory too. I know it's sad. Some of can't "afford" to buy a vehicle to be able to get a job, but will have the money to buy McDonalds, video game systems and drugs. They live better then I do for some odd reason.

How about this. Why don't some of the governments of the world quit poisoning everyone with doomed to fail social policing, and actually get down to the real issues. Real life is more violent then anything that could be put in a video game. Dealing with spoiled with self entitled people that have no self sufficent skills are what would make me violent, not some character on a video game.

In closing, I would say it's not the governments job to babysit or force people into some semi state of psychological tryanny. The government job is to help uphold the social, political, economical structure for the common good of the people. Not just those vocal, agenda driven ones that are in the media all the time. Most of the time the media lies to you because that is what they are there for, a bunch of propaganda warfare. Tale as old as time...

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Re: EU to ban violent games?
« Reply #19 on: January 19, 2007, 10:42:52 AM »
I really didn't mean to go on that kind of a rant, but it just seems that when stuff like that happens in Europe, it comes over to the United States for some reason. Not that their aren't any espers of this problem here already, just that it's not in some iron fisted government mandated law.

Seriously, when it comes over here people get upset, then the other side comes back with some other lame reason for it, people fight over it, and the wrong side ends up looking good in the arguement.
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Re: EU to ban violent games?
« Reply #20 on: January 19, 2007, 06:50:10 PM »
@justthatgood:

I didn't mind the 'rant', because frankly I agree 100% with you.

I will say it in laconic fashion: FAMILY is the key. Period.

Now I will babble on a bit :)))))

When I grew up, there was NO kid more destructive, violent (against non-living things) or worse than Dennis the Menace, other than ME. I was havok incarnate! I've burned, looted, pillaged, pelted rocks, broken glass, destroyed cars (not entirely), and many other bad/stupid things kids do. BUT, I was raised right (or so I think, haven't killed anyone yet), and so I never directed that violence against people (otherwise I'd get some serious ass whooping as they say here!). Since, I've played ALL and the MOST gorriest and bloody games. Same still: non murdered by yours trully.
In the end, I came to understand that even though I wanted to beat up some people at times, I couldn't because it's ingrained in me that it's really really wrong. And I've seen many violent scenes or even practiced many through all the games that I've played. Luckily, I also think I have what's called a "normal" brain, and I'm not problematic up there. If I was, perhaps I would have enacted such violence, but like justthatgood said above, I really doubt it would have been because of the games I played. It would have been because I would have been fscked in the head.

To end this, I do believe that kids that aren't raised right are desensitized by violence on TV or in games, and they can become much worse off, but BECAUSE they aren't raised in a proper family environment.

One last thing I have to add: even though it might not be always necessary, it's my belief that those raised under religious auspices (except for false religions, like those made up by some lunatic with less than a few million members and members only in one ethnic or national group. Those don't count, coz they're not religions), tend to be good and normal people. Perhaps those people won't be the next Hollywood stars, or the next glamour-rock-chicks, but those are all fscked up anyways! So when I'm surrounded by a group of religious people (not fanatics of course), I feel much more safe. Simple.

 

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Re: EU to ban violent games?
« Reply #21 on: January 19, 2007, 09:39:57 PM »
Hmmm... I don't see what's wrong with just putting a classification on these games - just like videos / DVDs. GTA's various versions had them, and so did Perfect Dark. In Ireland it's a serious offence to sell a video/DVD or cinema ticket to someone under the age classification for that film, but it's not enforced for buying games. Part of the responsibility would have to be with the parents though as they'll buy a lot of the games without ever having read about it or seen it or looking at the age rating on the box...
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Re: EU to ban violent games?
« Reply #22 on: January 20, 2007, 11:59:59 PM »
bah...just realised if i had actually heeded the age classification on most of my games, i wouldn't have played most/if not all of them until....april this year...would've missed out on red alert, quake, heretic etc etc just cause they're 18's...i mean i really do think the psychological trauma is worth it
 

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Re: EU to ban violent games?
« Reply #23 on: January 21, 2007, 12:21:39 AM »
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I'm sure that stuff can be an incentive for some crack nuts, as a matter of fact I seem to remember a juvenile going a shotgun spree under the influence of GTA, but I'm not sure ...

Dont you think this is because it is easier to blame it on something else like a game instead of blaming yourself? Violence and killings have NOT gone up since such games arrived. The stats in alot of places actually shows a decrease which includes USA.
A mentally healthy person will in no ways take damage from playing a violent game as they can differ between fiction and reality. But what do you say about movies? There was the same hysteria when violent movies came out, but that as well turned to be false.

I can handle age limits though even though i do not believe that a underage will take much damage either.
 

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Re: EU to ban violent games?
« Reply #24 on: January 21, 2007, 12:25:18 AM »
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I do not say that all people playing GTA are subject going to killing sprees, but it can trigger some switches in some people.

Yes it can.. But so can alot of different stuff do. The thing is that these people are unstable already and you just cannot blame it on games, movies or whatever that is triggering them off.
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Re: EU to ban violent games?
« Reply #25 on: January 21, 2007, 02:59:56 AM »
Hey! Why not ban religion? Millions of people have been killed in the most horrible ways in the name of one religion or the other... Religions lead to tensions and violent outbreaks. Read any history book about it!
So before bashing the video games industry why not  shut down the local church, mosque and synagogue? It will make this world a much more peaceful place.
(and people a whole lot smarter but that's another story).
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