When emulators outperform the real deal.

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emulation, especially winuae is excellent these days. But, in my opinion it's just doesn't give the same feeling as doing it on old hardware.
I showed a friend who used to have miggy's, jesus christ motocross the other week on my a4k. He was amazed! Had i done that via emulation on a pc, it wouldn't have had the same impact.
I value emulation but it will never replace any of my hardware.

thank you!!

Every time I grin when I go online in my real A1200 and chat using WookieChat or go Aweb or even use the javascript in the browser. But I do not grin when I do it in my WinUAE. Also I do not care what anyone else says, I believe that PPC AmigaOS 4.1 is a real Amiga and I have complete intention of getting that. I will have the best of two "things". I will have the Amiga 1200 classic 68k Apollo 1260 @ 80 Mhz as the best 68k Amiga out there and I will have either SAM or whatever new hardware PPC for AmigaOS 4.1 as the newest and latest PPC Amiga system.

Erm...AmiDude..your avatar is a little uh..should we see Rate A+. Uh...ok.

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I know what you mean! She has a really nice *ss!

I dunno we allowed XXX in amiga.org forum! What about the children?

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I use WinUAE to support my real Amiga's - Prep drives, test out software etc etc. I agree, emulation just isn't the same thing... but it has its uses, and for some it's all they'll have, and one day a few decades down the line it'll be all that is left of the Amiga as nearly all units of hardware will eventually be destroyed. This is where replicators from Star Trek will come in handy.

Why would Amiga hardware be destroyed? I don't understand. Who goes smashing these hardware?

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Every time you turn your amiga on, you use up what is remaining of its functional existence

These machines have a finite life.

Maybe...but the finite "life" of these machines are in hundreds of years...by that time I would care less what happens to it as I will be dead. Also I am sure...somewhere along the line...someone out there will make a brand new spanking 68k hardware that out beats the classic anyways. To me...since it is here...I might as well use my Amiga 68k hardware till smoke comes from it.......don't go jumping at me...it is a figure of speaking here.  What use is my classic Amiga if I am going to be so scared to use it..because it dies out every time it is used? No...I will use it...I want to play hours and hours and hours on my A1200 with Quake 2....I want to enjoy the new games NovaCoder is porting and I would like to try netsurf...I want to enjoy SDL AGA........I am not fretting on this in any shape or form. What I hate are the Amiga hoarders! Does a person really need 30 Amiga computers? What are you running here...an IT lab? No...these people should "share" by selling their excessive Amiga to other people who wish to own a real Amiga hardware for full blast experience. That is where I am pissed off..not the fact that for each use the Amiga hardware dies out.

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Nor will anyone else care....they'll all get slung in the bin! Your 060 and Picasso and PPC cards...the lot!
Hundreds of years is a very optimistic view. IC's fail eventually under normal use. These "hoarders" are probably doing Amiga preservation a very large favour.

Regarding hoarding, there's more than enough unwanted Amiga's out there anyway, so I can't say I have anything against them. Also, how do you define a hoarder? Is a person who owns every Amiga model (13 I think?) a hoarder? I'd call those people collectors not hoarders. There's more than enough Amiga's out there for everyone, so I don't see why you should have such strong negative feelings against them.

Definition of collectors are owning a single different module of the Amiga for the purpose of history or collectible reason. Definition of a hoarder are owning 30 of the same Amiga module and never using them..just for the purpose of...hoarding or keeping.

For example when ever I have fever of owning Commodore 64 again...I go to eBay and think hard if I want the C64s, C64, C128 or C128D module. When I am satisfied with my pick...I buy ONE SINGLE module of the Commodore 64 and that is that. It is what I did with the Apple IIgs for example. I bought only ONE Apple IIgs...not went and bought 50 Apple IIgs nor went and bought 10 Apple IIgs, 20 Apple IIc, 15 Apple II e, first I have no space...second one Apple II is more than enough...I wouldn't be able to use the other ones..and they do the same thing anyways...so why should I keep them?  Someone out there would like to own one...

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Nor will anyone else care....they'll all get slung in the bin! Your 060 and Picasso and PPC cards...the lot!
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I still don't understand why no one out there (by the time that happens) would be making a new modern 68k Amiga? Natami proofs it is possible. I am sure there will be a new Amiga 68k out there with better custom chip than AGA and that suppor these expansion cards.

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True, but we are not there yet..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KETi6FO565s&feature=player_embedded

Exactly...that is a 37 year old computer and still running like a horse...so I am not losing sleep for my A1200

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Richer colours are just a factor of the chroma signal strength (i.e. saturation setting).  If you want richer colours in WinUAE, increase the saturation of the emulator's video output, or the colour setting of the monitor.  Heck, there's nothing stopping you from using a CRT monitor with WinUAE....you could even use a TV card to output straight to a 1084 if you really wanted to.

As for the Paula's "phat analogue amiga sound"...the Paula is a digital chip, NOT analogue like the SID is.  It operates in the digital realm then has an digital to analogue converter to feed audio signals out to the real world, just like any PC sound card or PC motherboard sound chip does (except the PC's A/D converter can operate in 8, 16 or 24 bits instead of just 8 bits).

I'm not saying that hardware Amigas are bad -- they're fantastic -- but I just think your arguments about why emulation cannot match the real thing are not based on sound information.

The only thing that emulation will never be able to match is the feeling of a real Amiga keyboard, sliding in a disk, the real Amiga mouse feel - i.e. the physical, tactile elements.  But I'd bet that if you put a PC motherboard in an A500 case and ran WinUAE outputting to a CRT monitor, with a Keyrah adapter to the original keyboard, and some sort of adapter to allow you to use a real Amiga mouse, you could trick many people into believing that the hardware (i.e. circuits) inside was original.

Only problem here you have to boot through Windows first...that destroyed everything in there by itself. Making the desire for the real thing out beats your argument...at least for me it did.