Regarding the naming of new A-eon systems

[nicholas]

It looks like wawrzon's prediction was spot on!

http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=750422&postcount=10

[nicholas]

How is it now, is A-eon still stained by Ben Hermans/Hyperion? This is otherwise a known show stopper. Other than that, I think it comes down to viability; like a reasonable and realistic price and what level of usability you get for the money, longevity, etc. The X1000 was a catastrophe in this regard, sheer madness, and I think it was a good decision to not support it (even disregarding Ben Hermans issues). Much remains to be seen regarding these new "A3000" (:insane:) etc machines. And another thing that may affect a decision is how the MorphOS team looks at the future and viability of PPC in general, like how much efforts should really be spent on new HW based on this architecture vs. introducing something new. Several MorphOS team members has talked about a future MorphOS platform migration, several years ago even.

Frank recently posted on MZ that he thinks it is a waste of time to add anymore machines to the list of supported hardware as there are now plenty of models supported with something available for everyone at differing levels of price, performance and features.

I tend to agree, concentrating on improving MorphOS features should be the main focus of manpower now before any architecture shift is even planned.

It's aleady the best AmigaOS by far, but think how much better it will be when the team are not bogged down with porting it to new hardware.

[nicholas]

>Or simply call it something readable/meaningful to human beings, some kind of word, an adjective, a noun, or whatever.

Call it "Querida" or "Amada" to keep an Amiga spanish theme ;-P

Alain Thellier

Furcia Four-thousand sounds apt.

[nicholas]

Zorra Four-Thousand too and reminds us about the all-mighty Zorro slots ;-)

Now seriously, using the "A"+500/600/1000/1500/2000/2500/3000/3500/4000 just adds confusion... people interested on a new machine will google using that names and find links about an old machine and think "bah! fossil hardware". Bad marketing idea, just like releasing right now a machine named "AppleOne II"

Must resist smutty comment about floppies in zorra slots.

[nicholas]

Using the A prefix doesn't bother me but using model numbers of already existing Amiga models is parasitic as TMHG says, not to mention it will cause not just confusion and irrelevant search results but generate an enormous among of bad will towards the OS4 stakeholders.

So much so that search results for their products may be drowned out by the negative feedback it generates possibly damaging sales of their wares.

[nicholas]

From amigans (Steve Solie):

http://www.amigans.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=1962

"Further more, do you think there are more people buying the beast, if a search engine will present Cyrus base System when you enter Amiga 5000?

Absolutely yes.

Could this be confusing? Is this inconsistent? Yeah but nobody cares. The only people who do care are the hard core Amiga guys. The hard core Amiga guys have made up their minds already so there is no point in pandering to them. We need to think outside this microcosm. After reading "Commodore: A Company on the Edge" recently I'm quite sure Jack Tramiel wouldn't think twice about using the A5000 label because his focus was always on selling more units which is the primary objective here as well."

I think it speaks for itself...

It seems they never learn. Sigh.

[nicholas]

aww.this is so patherthic, trying to deliberately fool the audience and openly discussing to ride on the back of something they do not belong to and yet they are so hot about it.
pervert..

Oldthinkers unbellyfeel AmigaOS!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newspeak

[nicholas]

Btw Solie's reasoning to get more sales is not going to work in reality. Amiga 500 was the best selling Amiga model but how many sales A-Cube had with AmigaOne 500?

Ah that must be were A-Cube went wrong. Had they named it the "AmigaOne A500” they'd have been raking in the orders from confused buyers looking to buy a second hand Amiga 500.

There's a good reason why programmers should stick to code and salesmen to marketing, ssolie obviously didn't get the memo.

[nicholas]

@Djole

Perhaps people hate Ben Hermans.

Threatening AROS for being the Amiga Research OS despite Fleecy and McBill giving it their blessing years prior is just one of the many pathetic stunts he has pulled that have made the wider community despise him so very much.

Steven Solie appears to be carrying on in that tradition and you have to ask "why?"

[nicholas]

Actually, to some degree, yes.
For example, I won't use Elsevier services/producs due to their onoing (if now abstracted) links to the annual Arms Fair in the UK. I also won't spend any money on News International products (Sky, The Sun, etc) for many reasons, but you can boil that down to Rupert Murdoch being at the black heart of it all. Nor will I buy imported herbs, imported to the UK by air to keep it fresh - despite the fact that it grows like a fricking weed everywhere in the country.

Corporate responsibility is something that influences product choice in the real world.

Sadly, I continue to line the pockets of the tobacco barons, but it is high on my list. Equally sadly, I am addicted to the use of diesel for my business vehicle for which I see no practicable alternative at the mo.

+1 to all that.

RE: Diesel.  Have you tried chip fat? I believe it works very well as an alternative.

[nicholas]

Ok I can understand that but, do you buy a car because the brand owner is a nice guy or any other product ? I dont follow politics I just look at the product.

See what Boot_WB said.

Also I refuse to buy Israeli products and avoid dealing with companies that have branches in Occupied Palestine where I can avoid it.

If you support a business with your money you are condoning and supporting the politics of that company.

That being said, I will probably own another OS4 capable machine again at some point in the future, but that doesn't preclude me criticising the faults of OS4 nor the obscene behaviour of it's owners and self-appointed semi-official spokes people.

I call a spade a spade, not a long handled digging implement.

[nicholas]

Are you trying to say something about Northerners?

I have thought about it, but it adds hours onto my week setting up contacts, getting the crap home, setting up a filtration system/storage/etc.

I'll probably experiment with it in a couple of years when I've settled into the routine a bit more, but at the moment running a home, dog, business and relationship is as many full-time jobs as I can manage.

My (unmissed) hometown of Blackburn once held the dubious honour of being the Chip Pan Fire Capital of the UK. :lol:

[nicholas]

Yes. I just tried typing all of the various Amiga models in to google, using the "A" prefix instead of "Amiga," and only A600 and A1200 brought up any mention of the Amiga. All of the searches returned plenty of computers, phones, tablets, cameras, etc. The first page of A500 not only didn't mention Amiga, but did list the A500 road in Staffordshire and Cheshire, England.

Honestly, this is way too much fuss over one letter. This thread has been going on for three weeks now which far exceeds the impact that any naming scheme will have.

I personally couldn't care less if Apple sold a Mac A4000, unless they called it an "Amiga 4000" or "Amiga A4000." It wouldn't be unethical, amoral, or "parasitic" in the slightest. Likewise, an "AmigaOne A3000" will never be an "Amiga 3000." Having said that, I'd suggest using a different number like "AmigaOne A3041" just to avoid confusion when people inevitably shorten the name in discussions (personally, I'd shorten it to A1-A3041 for clarity, but I'm not everyone).

Hans

Since when has nine days equalled three weeks?  It's not even two.

[nicholas]

Argh! Dates on this forum are in US format. The 20 being where the month should be should have been a dead giveaway.

Hans

If there is anything worse than American (mis) spelling of the English language it is the American date format.

[nicholas]

Hmmm. Me looks at documentation and disk boxes and sees:

Amiga OS 3.9
Amiga OS 3.5
Amiga OS version 3.1
Amiga OS version 3.0

No sign of this AmigaOS...

http://www.vesalia.de/pic/amigaos39cd.jpg

I'm away from home at the moment so I can't check the boxes but AFAIR the whole OS was referred to as Workbench until the first H&P release "Amiga OS 3.5".

Only OS4 has been named AmigaOS it seems and the court case was settled by both parties agreeing to Hyperion only being allowed to use the trademarks "AmigaOne" and "AmigaOS" not "Amiga" nor "Amiga OS" despite certain mouthpieces of Hyperion recently claiming otherwise.

IANAL YMMV.