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Offline nicholas

Quote from: takemehomegrandma;745640
Well, in that thread people were called trolls, people were called narrow minded because they felt it to be wrong to mix common commodity HW with true Amiga HW. The naivety shown about the intentions by some in that thread was hilarious. Well, theoretical discussions like the quotes above aside — what systems will *really* qualify? Not in discussions on amiga.org, but in cold reality, according to the site admin?



http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=38055&forum=2&start=40&viewmode=flat&order=0

So in the end it was/becomes nothing else than what many of us predicted from the beginning — some kind of stunt in favor of OS4, to make it and its HW a little more "teh true!!1!" compared to the other NG alternatives, to blur the line between "Commodore Amiga" and "NG" a little more, but only regarding OS4, they are very explicit about that! Vox (etc) can now say, with a little more weight behind their words than before, that "I'm teh reel!!1! you are not!!1!", and the Amiga Apartheid has taken one more step in the wrong direction. Goal reached, cased closed. And thread locked.

:rolleyes:


But but but t3h reel, you nasty troll!

The most amusing thing to me is that this fork of BBOAH by the true believers doesn't even work with Amiga web browsers.
“Een rezhim-i eshghalgar-i Quds bayad az sahneh-i ruzgar mahv shaved.” - Imam Ayatollah Sayyed  Ruhollah Khomeini
 

Offline nicholas

Re: "Volunteers to make OS4 HW entries for Big Book of Amiga HW"
« Reply #1 on: August 21, 2013, 12:29:38 PM »
Blah blah, repeat BS over and over again

That forked OS4 fanatic site doesn't even work with Odyssey.

Oh and there is no advantage to the name, the antics of the companies involved and of the cheerleaders over the last 13 years have made it a laughing stock.

I own the same Trademark in the very country you live in, your X1000 and it's OS infringe on my rights. Perhaps I should contact the relevant authorities and have it stopped at customs and denied entry.

Maybe I will, maybe I won't.
« Last Edit: August 21, 2013, 12:34:17 PM by nicholas »
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Offline nicholas

Re: "Volunteers to make OS4 HW entries for Big Book of Amiga HW"
« Reply #2 on: August 21, 2013, 01:08:28 PM »
Quote from: vox;745670
Surely, extremely positive attitude, serves the purpose.

However, I keep my rights to address the Amiga Kraljevo in any case :-)
http://www.amiga.rs/

They could do something really constructive.


Let's follow the lead of the western rights holders.

I feel a lawsuit  brewing between Commodore Amiga Iran and Amiga Srpska. Let's hope it drags on for years and destroys the brand name even further.

It would be a fitting tribute.
“Een rezhim-i eshghalgar-i Quds bayad az sahneh-i ruzgar mahv shaved.” - Imam Ayatollah Sayyed  Ruhollah Khomeini
 

Offline nicholas

Re: "Volunteers to make OS4 HW entries for Big Book of Amiga HW"
« Reply #3 on: August 21, 2013, 03:09:39 PM »
Quote from: Pyromania;745651
@Vox

Not only that the CUSA Amiga Mini did not even include an emulator or anyway to run any version of Amiga OS at all. It was a true slap a name on a PC and see if it sells. I'm glad it's gone for good. No need for the confusion and what a lazy way to sell a fake Amiga!


While I agree with your assesment of CUSA (They were the entire reason I registered Commodore Amiga in Iran "for the lolz"), they did have a genuine legal right to use the trademark that they paid for in good faith.

They didn't try to steal the trademark by nefarious means or court cases.
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Offline nicholas

Re: "Volunteers to make OS4 HW entries for Big Book of Amiga HW"
« Reply #4 on: August 21, 2013, 04:07:04 PM »
Quote from: takemehomegrandma;745687

Heck, it even boots OS4!

:lol:


I've been waiting all day for someone to mention that. lol
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Offline nicholas

Re: "Volunteers to make OS4 HW entries for Big Book of Amiga HW"
« Reply #5 on: August 21, 2013, 04:20:05 PM »
Quote from: takemehomegrandma;745689
Never doubted it.



You still don't get it, despite what a gazillion of people has told you already on this site, on AW.net and on moobunny. So I won't bother again. It's not possible to get through to you, you aren't listening.

Well, now that we have been reminded again that MorphOS and AROS has no connection to Amiga OS other than the API and that none of its HW should be on the same list as OS4 hardware for this reason — let's talk about cooperation! Wouldn't it be cool if the MorphOS developers and the AROS developers could join forces with OS4 to create OS5? Wasn't it you who said that?

:lol:

From a technology point of view, does OS4 have anything that MorphOS or AROS even need?
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Offline nicholas

Re: "Volunteers to make OS4 HW entries for Big Book of Amiga HW"
« Reply #6 on: August 21, 2013, 04:28:18 PM »
Quote from: Thorham;745693
Bad reason indeed. A better reason is perhaps that PC and Mac hardware don't belong on an Amiga page, because PCs and Macs aren't related to the Amiga. Saying Aros and MorphOS have nothing to do with Amiga is of course plain nonsense.

Should 3DFX Voodoo Cards and ATI Radeons be on an Amiga hardware page? Creative Labs Soundblaster Cards?
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Offline nicholas

Re: "Volunteers to make OS4 HW entries for Big Book of Amiga HW"
« Reply #7 on: August 21, 2013, 10:24:06 PM »
Quote from: Karlos;745746
As far as I am concerned, the BBoAH should really only contain information about hardware built specifically for the original Amiga machines. So, while info about a particular PCI expansion bus is useful, I don't feel there's any value in including information about generic PCI cards you'd put in there. Possible exceptions to that rule being perhaps lists of known compatible devices.

Regarding "NG", it's a bit muddier. Nobody can seriously claim that OS4, MorphOS and AROS aren't anything to do with the Amiga (though many try),


For me it's not that these three OS's have nothing to do with the Amiga but that the hardware they run on (With the exception of those machines with Phase5 accelerators and AROS 68k builds) are not Amigas, therefore said hardware doesn't belong on a site that is supposed to be documenting Amiga specific hardware.

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so in my view it's fair to include information about hardware purpose-built to run these operating systems. So stuff like the A1, Pegasos, Efika, Sam and so forth are all valid entries.


I'm not convinced, should Amiga DE devices like the Sharp Zaurus be included too? DE was the official succesor OS to the 68k Amiga OS at one point afterall, just as official if not moreso than OS4, despite it having nothing in common with the 68k OS nor even running on any 68k hardware.

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Of course, generic PC's and PPC based macs are as much commodity hardware as anything else, so I don't feel there's a need to include them because as with vanilla PCI cards, it's all already out there. However, it would certainly be useful to include information about, for example, which specific models are supported. If you want a fully supported MorphOS, AROS or Amithlon box, it would be an ideal resource to check.


Isn't that easily available from amigaos.net or morphos-team.net etc already?

In the end it's up to the site owner what content he puts on it.  Those of us who believe Amigas were only ever manufactured by CBM and Escom will never be convinced otherwise and vice-versa.
“Een rezhim-i eshghalgar-i Quds bayad az sahneh-i ruzgar mahv shaved.” - Imam Ayatollah Sayyed  Ruhollah Khomeini
 

Offline nicholas

Re: "Volunteers to make OS4 HW entries for Big Book of Amiga HW"
« Reply #8 on: October 11, 2013, 02:37:32 AM »
Quote from: magnetic;749759
The funny thing about all this is that Morphos should be considered "the real amiga ng" because the morphos team is made up of some of the best classic amiga developers. If it wasnt for morphos team there would have been no NG amiga. Look into these guys are and what they did for classic amigas (ppc hardware, gui toolkit, cybergrafx, first usb stack etc etc etc etc)

as a matter of fact if you look into old amiga magazines the pegasos and morphos was going to be "amiga os4"

The MorphOS team is made up of the cream of the crop when it comes to Amiga developers.  Who are the OS4 team? The only one I've heard of that developed good stuff in the old days is Olaf Barthel.
“Een rezhim-i eshghalgar-i Quds bayad az sahneh-i ruzgar mahv shaved.” - Imam Ayatollah Sayyed  Ruhollah Khomeini