duktape error NetSurf OS3

[utri007]

Are you sure the current build (test build on cy2, not the Aminet one) isn't working?

I'm 99% sure that freeaks talks version here : http://www.unsatisfactorysoftware.co.uk/index.php?pg=netsurf

At least he said so in irc

[utri007]

@utri007 & @freeaks OK, the NetSurf Archive available in my GitHub is now whole new fresh (without DukTape) ! ^^ You can test it if you want.

Download link doesn't work

https://github.com/DNADNL/NetScript gives 404 error

[utri007]

Pop in http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=apollo-team

or #apollo-team if you prefer actual irc

There is "only some 100" people online now

[utri007]

Both version are now identical, no speed diffrences.

[utri007]

ShK tried with his Vapire. Amiga org is downloaded and renderer 14.8 seconds.

He had same problem than DNADNL had, was it because of datatypes? No buttons displayed and pictures are dispalyed all rainbow colors, vertical bars.

After installation it also asked usergroup and guigfx libraries. He has already copied them to libs.

Just wonder might this be because of lack of BB1 and 2?

[utri007]

I installed winuae and used my really old AmigaForever OS3.X installation, to demonstarted problems myself.

I'm prety sure that display problems DNADNL and ShK are because lack of render.library

If render.library is missing, Netsurf tells it can't found guigfx.library, even if guigfx.library is in right Place. Pictures are also displayed  with all rainbow colors etc.

[utri007]

Render.library requires FPU!

At least this version http://aminet.net/package/dev/misc/renderlib31

Other two versions doesn't work at all, with guigfx library.

[Edit]
I can't get it running with WinUAE without FPU and render.library installed. Tested with WinUAE 68020 and 040 cpus,  latest WinUAE.
Apollo-Team irc channel they say it runs but there are some new Graphics corruption.

[18:02] latest chris version works, render lib now works
[18:02] i don't have rainbow images anymore but there's still corruption
[18:06] Are you running at 16bit myzar?
[18:07] Grelbfarlk: yes it's a different type of corruption, it's not palette, images are missing chunks

Weird?

[utri007]

I've just uploaded a version which uses P96 directly on RTG screens.  I have no idea whether it will work (it is OK on AGA without P96 installed!).  If it does it should be a bit quicker, but I have a feeling the text will be all the wrong colours.

There is a problems, it is not faster than previous versions. Couldn't get faster rendering than 27 seconds. ( some 7 second more than with render.library)

Again picture tells more than 1000 words. I tested this winuae mmu ON and no FPU like Vampire is. Works without render.library. Got same Graphics corruption with real amiga and emulated amiga. Picture is taken from real amiga screen.

[utri007]

freeaks: You have made you testing with UAE? You should test with real hardware. After that you migh reconsider wich one is faster. Something wich is faster with modern PC under emulator, might not be faster with few hertz CPU.

Chris: I couldn't get tile_size_x: and tile_size_y: work. Did I remember wrong?

[utri007]

I,m not keen about emultion. I boght AmigaForver year 2006 or something. Rarelu use it. It does not work with guigfx / render library version at all. Note that current version is about 30% slower than version wich uses guigfx/render library. That is a lot with real 680X0 cpu, but much less under emulation.

All my tests are made with real hardware.

Arthur's works very nicely under emulation, it feels fast and seems to work reliably.

But with real hardware I haven't been able to start it with my 040/32mb system. Not enough memory. My OS installation uses about 10 mb ram, so I have about 22mb free ram after boot. My 060/64mb system it starts, but it locks Computer for tens of seconds, scrolling is not faster, it is a slideshow. Though I haven't tested very latest versions. Tested them about 3-4 mothns ago. From video wich I found from Vampire irc channel about Arthur's fork, it shows that one page loaded 215 seconds with Vampire, tested same page with 060/64mb ram with Chris Netsurf, it loaded little more than 20 seconds. I'm prety sure that your tests are not cycle exact.

My opinion. Note that opinions are like but holes, everyone has one. Ducktape should not be a high priority, it most likely requires too much CPU power compinet with Netsurf. Memory fragemtion issue is annoying for all, coders and users. Coders has hardtime figure out how to solve it, and it is easier to said than do. Would be nice if GUI problems could be fixed like, refreshing issue, borders, etc. tabs, prefs window has some visual problems. Would be nice to know, how Netsurf behaves with Vampire, is there a memory fragemtntion issue? Would it be possible compile render.library so that it does not require FPU?

[utri007]

You are right, testing should be based to latest version. Arthur's fork has a smoother scrolling, but aminet.net is not a good test. It is too Basic site, works with every possible browser. Sites like amiga.org / amigaworld.net are better. In those places scrolling is not that smooth anymore, but still better than Netsurf has. With WinUAE scrolling is smooth as it can be all the time.

What I care is that Arhur's browser uses 47seconds to render amiga.org and 41 seconds to render amigaworld.net. That is more important how scrolling works. Another thing is that if screen is refreshed 100x100 pixel chunks, it saves a memory, wich is also a one point of view.

Those are almost 2.5 times more than Netsurf uses. Amiga.org 19-23 seconds, amigaworld.net 15-17 seconds.

What I have noticed, Vampire is 1/3 or 1/4 faster than my 060 66mhz Performance is somewhere between 90-100mhz 060. So These browsers in current form are very good proof that it can be done and will be fun to use with Vampire.

To be a fair, I tried to change ttf fonts to bitmap fonts. It has a huge performance impact for Netsurf. It didn't help a much or just tapping to "use bitmap fonts", doesn't change anything. Tried to change paths to font folder and bitmap fonts, didn't help either.

It is easy to see that Artis browser doesn't use intuition, it lacks menus and it is not possible select text. That is little annoying when you try write new address to address bar.

Another notice ist that it uses 5-6mb more ram to start then Netsurf uses. In theory I should be able to start it with my 040/32mb system, but after that I wouldn't be possible surf anywhere, because of lack of free memory.

[utri007]

Tested 11th August version. Colors are OK, but it is still a about 30% slower than version wich used a render library.

Question is, is actually needed to have a no FPU version? Is it so that AGA version still uses a render.library (requires FPU)?

Surfing web with 68k amiga needs all speedups wich are possible. For 68030 cpu Netsurf is "nice to test", but there is no way that it is actually useable or fun to use. Also anyone with 68030 can get a FPU easily. Prety much every 68040/68060 has a FPU. Vampire is different thing, but it will have a FPU eventually.

[utri007]

OK, then it was just temporary slowdown because of internet connection or something. I thought that should I check does it need render libary or not, but I was lazy.

[utri007]

I'd like to know more about the crashing, I've not seen that here.

I haven't had that kind of problem ever.

I belive that scrolling is compromize between, speed, ram usage and useability.

UAE doesn't give right picture of it.

[utri007]

Sorry to say but it doesn't work here. It also brokes menus. After I enabled java menus are not accessible anymore. Tested both of my machines with same result. Menu problem is noticeable in picture.

Another thing is that I got illeagal memory Access and needed reboot.

[utri007]

My bad, I should have pay attention. It works.