NetSurf OS3.x Issues

[utri007]

Congratulations Chris. well done. Need to test new build this evening.

Working nice now but still slow. I cant adjust any of the prefs if I go into settings. Also I noticed if I play with the scale setting and reduce it the screen gets very angry and doesnt redraw properly. It starts to mix up previous screens with new. If I return it back to normal it fixes itself.

Looking forward to the day this is optimised and works as well as Ibrowse for general browsing if that happens!

If you but something like this to user/choises file it is much faster.

use_diskfont:1
font_sans:Topaz
font_serif:Topaz
font_mono:Topaz
font_cursive:Topaz
font_fantasy:Topaz

Matthey suggested these fonts http://www.amiga.org.ru/websurf/

I also managed to get Duktape to compile and to run with Sami Vaarala's help... It is quite easy to use and fast actually!!!

This is interesting, would this be usefull with netsurf? How modular it is, would it allow easily external java script engine? What are term of use with Ducktape?

[utri007]

Works Both AGA and RTG, no Graphics corruption.

Speed decreace was huge, just wondering is simple refresh still on? Or is it possible that load times vary? 55 - 90 seconds

[edit: it is still on] and only amiga.org takes longer time to render, amigaworld.net taks still 42 seconds with 060 and 47 seconds with 040

This is anyway really good start, now it is more motivating to make it more speedy? I ques

[utri007]

Found AGA only problem. No problems with text with previous build and no problems with amiga.org at least with fast test. PNG problem is still on with AGA.

[edit] Seems that AGA has problems with also a gif pictures

 [edit] [edit] There seems to be problems when browsing from site to another site, time outs? Or when I left it open for a 15 minits and trying to surf to another site. That happenet same time with both amigas.

[utri007]

There are no problems with AGA here.  Try switching friend_bitmap off.

Note the black corruption nonsense on aw.net is because that site insists on overlaying everything with a graphic that has alpha transparency.  On OS3 I convert this to a mask at the 50% point.  You can change this with mask_alpha in Choices (takes a value between 0 and 100)

Tested both mask_alpha:0 and 100 no visible diffrence
Tested friend_bitmap:0 no visible diffrence

Both checked from about:config so that they are user defined.

Installed warpdatatype for png pictures, didn't do anything.

Random TCP/IP problems has started again.

[utri007]

Chris:

Downloaded latest version, there seems to be problems again with layout? Amiga.org looks like it looked some versions ago.

Before that I spend some time surfing web with iBrowse, AWeb and Netsurf.

Seems that it does kill my Network, need to quit and start genesis to get online again. It doesn't happen so often with 060/RTG, but lefting netsurf open for a some time kills a Network with both Computers.  Goining offline and back online doesn't help, need to quit and start again.

Also noticed that surfing from site to site doubles time to display site?

Disabled background and foreground my 040/AGA it gives nice speed up and maybe? that way Network doesn't die so often? Does it have something to do with lack of cpu power?

Tested some fonts and noticed that using Xen font keeps all tekst readable. Topaz has some problem when scaled to small.

[utri007]

I've put a new version up, but there's not much change.  I've changed the way it calls the font code which might speed it up a tiny bit, but really I want to get to the bottom of those layout problems.  It's something in http://git.netsurf-browser.org/netsurf.git/tree/amiga/font_diskfont.c if anybody wants to look at it.

Download link doesn't work, get http 404 error

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/cdyoung/tmp/netsurf_os3.lha

[utri007]

I'm getting some weirdness with the bitmap font layout here, it isn't doing what it's supposed to and I don't know why.  It is at least consistent on OS4, but on OS3 how it lays out the welcome page changes every time I run it.  I suspect an uninitialised variable is getting used, but GCC warns about those and it hasn't picked anything up..

Current version doesn't display fonts at all, but you propably know that already.

Weir thing was that it displayed them on my aga machine until I enabled background and foreground. I have those disable as a default, makes it faster. Couldn't get fonts displayed again when I disabled backgrounds.

Could it be simple as problems with choises file?

[utri007]

Well done nice speed up. 45 - > 35 downloading amiga.org

Why it takes 3x more time when moving amigaworld.net to amiga.org 104 seconds? It is not site depending, just surfing from site to another site takes 3x time.

With 040/AGA amigaworld.net alpha_mask is problem, changing value doesn't seems to affect anything? 1 or 100

[utri007]

I would hazard a guess that it's related to NetSurf clearing out the cache.  Try disabling the disk cache (disc_cache_size:0)

Disabling disc cache makes it generally faster, even first page loaded loads/render faster.

Difference is not that big, 1.5 seconds and 10 seconds. (amigaworld.net - > amiga.org) Considering that disc cache purpose is make thigs faster that is weird. Is this something wich can be fixed or is this just something because slow disc Access?

[utri007]

Would it be possible to make it not to clear disk cache? Or does it matter? I can live with that information that my hard disk contains images from these sites, if it makes future openings faster. Any way still bit a mystery why it takes so long, deleting images shouldn't take that much longer.

[utri007]

OK

Downloading and rendering amiga.org after amigaworld.net takes 94 seconds with disk cache OFF

Amiga.org downloads and render takes about 35 seconds, that mean that Netsurf takes 59 seconds to clear it memory cache, wich sounds a lot? Generally deleting from memory should be much faster than writing to memory???

[utri007]

You don't have any problems when you surf from site to site, amiga.org - > amigaworld.net? Rendering / downloading amiga.org takes 35 seconds and amigaworld.net takes 29 second, but when going first amiga.org after that amigaworld.net downloads / render 104 seconds.

Is netsurf still killing your Network if left open?

[utri007]

Tested 21st day version.

A1200 040/AGA

Very unstable. Locks Computer in random point, two times it didn't display anything, some times it loaded start page, once I got part of amiga.org displayed. One time it said please insert volume workbench in any drive and amiga freezed.

No gurus or erros, just freezed amiga.

A1200 060/RTG

Works better no lock ups. But lots of random weirdness. Once I typed amiga.org address after amigaworld.net address, it started loading and fetching, said it ready but page didnt change. One it displayed amiga.org after amigaworld.net quite fast, but it was still loading and fetching some 60 seconds.

Installed Miami to see does it make diffrence to AmiTCP/Genesis, no diffrence. Network dies some point.

This version has some weird issues, something wich seems to be very random.

[utri007]

Have to be some where in AGA used only code, as such a thing doesn't happend with RTG.

[utri007]

Try friend_bitmap:0

Tested, didn't help.

But I checked it with snoop dos and it reading a helvetica font some hundered times "helvetica read OK". Crash happen when it does those.
 

Please insert volume workbench also happened once again, when it was reading fonts.

Note: This is only with AGA

[utri007]

I was getting weirdness until I switched friend bitmaps back off.

I have fixed some other bugs in the meantime though.

I turned OFF backgroung and foreground images and it seems to work. So it is images wich make those problems with AGA.

Acill: I  have tested arthurs version only with real amigas, there is no speed difference. I didn't know that there is a diffrence under the emulation.

Arthur's RTG version is running top of SDL and AGA version is running Novacoder's AGA SDL hack. It is based to framebuffer version of Netsurf wich is meant to be used debugging and with "no gui" systems.  

Chris version is based to ordinary desktop version. He has some problems with GCC version he is using, he can't compile it optimications turned ON.