AmigaUpdate, Objectivity Lost.

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Egads, how stupid can people be.  Bill McEwan declared the Amiga dead, and some fans decided on showing him wrong.  Those fans made a product that was pretty snappy, so AInc declared the Amiga re-alive and set out to copy them, declaring FUD against them, etc.  By then, the MorphOS folk had a product nearly finished.  Should they have just gone "Oh, well, Amiga's changed it's mind, we'll walk away from 3 years of work."  Of course not, they went "you had your chance."  

Tell me, if I am in line to buy a lotto ticket, then at the last second go "nah, I'll never win."  Then you, right behind me in line, buy the winning lotto ticket, the ticket that would have been mine if I had stayed put, do you owe it to me to give me the lotto ticket, since I would have had it if I hadn't walked away?

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@Billsey

If we keep this balkanization going on, we will kill the community.  That goes for all sides.  I see fair treatment for all advertisers on AOrg.

I say try and see it from the other peoples side.  I posted my side above.  Can everyone understand my viewpoint?  How about someone from the "red camp" post their corresponding viewpoint to be fair?

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Too damn right, but if either Genesi or AInc would only aim their business at us, and fight over us, the sad remnants of a former market, then they bloody well deserve what they've got coming - failure.

I don't know about Hyperion, Eyetech or AInc, but I did not spend the past 2 months working on MorphOS.net to cater to AmigaOS fans.  I worked hard to make it appealing to a broader base, to expand our community beyond it's niche.  Otherwise, the old MorphOS site would have been fine, a nice narrow-band webpage.  Instead, I focused on "what would sell MorphOS to other people?"

There's plenty of room for growth.

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@amigaguy

x86 is a failed route, you'd be killed due to competition from all fronts.  On PowerPC you can control the hardware better.  You can limit your competition.  Plus, PPC is cheaper than x86, and the new 970 is faster than x86 too.

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Right now we need this little infighting, to get us tough enough to handle Microsoft.  It's like inner-team rivalries, or how martial artist dojo's often times have 2 hot-shots that always are butting heads.  Only through the interior conflict can either one emerge strong enough to beat Microsoft.

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@amigaguy

Alright, let's hit these point by points:

1)  x86 sales have slowed down since 99, to the point that the whole industry is in threat of collapse.  The razor-thin margins necessary to compete in x86 are driving most businesses under.  Actually, at current sales rates, not even 1 million sell per month.

2) I can get PPC's for as cheap as $8 a chip.  Please, find me the $8 x86 chip, and will it compete with a 200Mhz 603e?  Sure, this is not in a desktop, but there is a larger world than just the desktop out there, a world that is closed off if you go x86.

3)  Find me the x86 based handheld.  Find me the x86 based satelite TV decoder.  You won't find them, because x86 fails here.  You will find PPC, and lots of them.  Millions of PPC machines *do* sell per month.  Apple is a sliver of the market.

Sure, the Peg is more than an Athlon, but by the same note, it also offers more than said Athlon.  (Find me a microATX motherboard with the same features for under $280 brand-new, and that's not counting the CPU in it's case, while the $299 Pegasos price does include the processor)  And the Peg does it without producing the huge volumes of heat that the Athlon does.

x86 is not the end-all-be-all range, it's hot, it's power hungry, and it's noisy (due to the fans).  Since switching to the Pegasos, I've found my electric bills dropping by $10 or more a month.  Imagine a Fortune 500 firm, swapping out 10k workstations for a Pegasos.  That's $100k savings for nothing other than swapping a motherboard.  Over a year, you've more than made up the difference in cost.

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no id tell you to something off as the lotto in this country is done by people picking there own numbers and there is no way you would have picked the same numbers as me.

I was referring to the ever popular scratch-off lottery tickets found in the us.

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@bhoggett

Actually I'd like Hyperion, Eyetech and AInc to have their own little taglines there too.  That way all of us would be able to see what's going on.  We'd also know that "hey, that guy works for Hyperion, he might be the guy to ask about feature x, y and z."

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@Casper

Are you sure?  How do you know?

In fact, there were machines waiting to be sold by Pegasos-uk only last week.  So new boards are still availible mon ami.

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http://www.pegasos-uk.com

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@quixote

Um, if you noticed, AMiWest consisted of 2 rooms, opened up in the middle into one big expanse, but still 2 rooms.  Genesi occupied a good 70% of one wall in one of those two rooms, I think that is what Neko was trying to say.

Of course I could be wrong.  But we were one of the largest groups there, I don't think anyone could argue that.

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@Casper

I am also a Genesi employee, and I don't know how many.  Heck, and I ran one of the sales channels.

As for production, Genesi poduced boards only a few weeks ago.  We don't spit them out 1-2 at a time, we do in lots of 50 or more, to reduce the cost, then sell them till we run low, then spit out more.  Plus, don't forget, the announced release of the Pegasos II is next month.

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A term comes to mind, that includes the words:
Nose Face Spite