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Re: Mediator Review - Should I buy one?
« on: April 03, 2008, 12:01:47 AM »
For gfx card you are better off with a Voodoo 3. If all you want is a GFX card and 10mb ethernet, get a Prometheus from Amigakit. Prometheus is the better product JMHO and has Catweasel (PCI) drivers.

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Here is Prometheus at Amigakit. Amigakit is great and that Prometheus price is outstanding!!
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Re: Mediator Review - Should I buy one?
« Reply #1 on: April 03, 2008, 08:10:45 PM »
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Towards the end of Matay you could buy the Prometheus at $99! Now it's $198... My how the $ has fallen over the last few years.


I don't know about $99, that probably never happened. I think the lowest I ever sold them for was $149 (from memory) on a 1 time liquidation. I had the final stock and what little remained I sold to Amigakit.
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Re: Mediator Review - Should I buy one?
« Reply #2 on: April 03, 2008, 08:13:17 PM »
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The A4000Di is a more aesthetically pleasing product in that it replaces the daughter card, the PCI cards are a nice fit (The Prometheus design is stoopid) but the Mediator doesn't have any video slots so you cannot fit a scandoubler which doesn't clip over the chips :-(


I have to strongly disagree! For a tower conversion the Prometheus as-is from the factor kicked butt! Even in a desktop I used 2 PCI and had 2 zorro in use, plus you don't lose your video slot. BTW yes I mean desktop with the case closed. Very easy to do! I was the first to do it, which is surprising given how simple it is.
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Re: Mediator Review - Should I buy one?
« Reply #3 on: April 03, 2008, 08:18:51 PM »
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Whatever you buy, buy it based on what's available today. Do not expect updates or feature enhancements. Elbox appears to be actively developing at the moment, but support for the other busboard solutions is effectively dead and who knows whether or not Elbox will follow through with their announcements.


yes, base it on what is available. However don't say development is dead. A couple years ago Catweasel MK4 drivers were made for Prometheus, not Mediator, and just recently sound card drivers were made available with OS4 Classic. You can fill every slot in the Prometheus if you want.
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Re: Mediator Review - Should I buy one?
« Reply #4 on: April 03, 2008, 08:22:55 PM »
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 The prometheus cards aren't meant for the desktop cases.  It may work, but I want to be able to close it all up neat.  


Ahem..

http://www.amiga.org/gallery/index.php?n=2383

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Re: Mediator Review - Should I buy one?
« Reply #5 on: April 03, 2008, 09:37:41 PM »
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Yes, it can be done, but it certainly still isn't ment to be used with a desktop A4000 in it's original case. It gives more meaning to use it in a towerised A4000D.


It cab be done and it works flawlessly. I think it is worth mentioning as it is the ONLY way to have PCI cards without losing the video slot AFAIK.

Hey, I have a soft spot in my heart for the Prometheus :-)
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Re: Mediator Review - Should I buy one?
« Reply #6 on: April 04, 2008, 01:13:42 PM »
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Mechanically the prometheus just doesn't work in the desktop Amiga's. I mean come on:

http://www.relec.ch/prometheus/images/A4D01.jpg

It didn't mechanically work well in the towered Amiga's either.

http://www.relec.ch/prometheus/images/A4T01.jpg
http://www.relec.ch/prometheus/images/A3T01.jpg


Do you remember what year the Prometheus was released? Do you know how many competing products were available at that time? And BTW your assertion that it works poorly in tower cases totally ignores Zipper's comment in this thread. In the case of the original orientation, it works better in some cases than others.

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Matay could have tried to sell the PCI riser card you demonstrate in your example A4000D. I am almost sure this was a user discovery and a homebrew mod.


Umm, that would be me. Matay was essentially out of the Amiga market and my company, Anachronism Industries, demonstrated this possibility and sold many kits. You can call us doing a "user discover" if you wish as we were a 4 person company at the peak of it's short existance. Here's a hint for you, there is not a single major corporation in the Amiga community. Not now, not in 2004 and not in 2001. Anachronism Industries employing 4 people edged out probably every other "Amiga" related company out there by a factor of 4X at the time.

Anyhow, splitting hairs. It worked and made many customers happy for a fraction of the cost of a Mediator and you never had to worry about hard drive trashing, other hardware mysteriously stop working, license issues or other nonsense.

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Matay could have designed and sold metal brackets to make it easier to fit PCI cards safely and sturdily. I dont think that ever happened.


You would be thinking wrong. Every Prometheus was sold with sturdy metal brackets

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It was the right product (technologically speaking) and right time. Just a poor roll out and too many corners cut to lower costs. Matay should have targetted one case (probably official commodore A4000D) and created the best possible mechanical design. Then use the profits from those sales to pay for PCB reworks (and metal work, replacement back panels etc) for other cases.


You are entitled to your opinion, I just think it is strongly misguided. You know what year the Prometheus was released? Do you know how many were produced in total? Do you know what quantity most major Amiga hardware releases are produced in? Let's just say very few companies do it for the money and many end up losing money. A common rumor is Matay lost money big time. I don't remember if Prometheus production details were ever made public, but I can say that Matay did not get rich. My company bought out the remaining stock and sold approximately 33% of all Prometheus ever made in one year, in part because of our super aggresive pricing, and to a lesser extent making it available to desktop users. When all was said and done, it was a major investment and we barely broke even on the product. No complaints, it was a loss leader, we did ok overall, mostly on non-Amiga product. Don't be fooled into thinking Elbox is raking in the cash or is a big company. You will probably never see another full new product from them again, just minor redesigns.

This is getting a bit off topic. I like Prometheus, you don't. You like Mediator, I don't. We are both entitled to our opinions.
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