Re: "Volunteers to make OS4 HW entries for Big Book of Amiga HW"

[vox]

Well, in that thread people were called trolls, people were called narrow minded because they felt it to be wrong to mix common commodity HW with true Amiga HW. The naivety shown about the intentions by some in that thread was hilarious. Well, theoretical discussions like the quotes above aside — what systems will *really* qualify? Not in discussions on amiga.org, but in cold reality, according to the site admin?

http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=38055&forum=2&start=40&viewmode=flat&order=0

So in the end it was/becomes nothing else than what many of us predicted from the beginning — some kind of stunt in favor of OS4, to make it and its HW a little more "teh true!!1!" compared to the other NG alternatives, to blur the line between "Commodore Amiga" and "NG" a little more, but only regarding OS4, they are very explicit about that! Vox (etc) can now say, with a little more weight behind their words than before, that "I'm teh reel!!1! you are not!!1!", and the Amiga Apartheid has taken one more step in the wrong direction. Goal reached, cased closed. And thread locked.

:rolleyes:

My personal opinion is that all community driven project deserve entry - including Efika, Pegasos 1, as far as iMica and AresOne. But I am not a BBOH maintaner, and line was put just to OS4 compatibile systems. I don`t feel being anymore Amigan then MorphOS or AROS user. AROS only makes it tricky since its extremely portable (like the phone Nicolas presented).

Website is dedicated to hardware that was made to run AmigaOS and any refreshment is good. Hope more boards will find the way to BBOAH including FPGA Arcade.

My idea is to show that post Commodore evolution did happen thanks to enthusiastic companies and individuals, no supermacy there.

We will see will maintainer stretch his definition - however I must say that no MorphOS user showed interest (in fact attacked the idea at all) to make an Pegasos or Efika entry. I cannot do it, simply because I don`t have the board, and and BBOAH is bit more then just puting the hardware info - real high res pictures, manuals etc.

Maybe a desire to make an entry would make him change the mind,
not just negativity.

As in nice modern roots tune - Positive Action
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AIZEh3hzpQ

As usual, my personal corner is that CUSA Amiga Mini doesn`t belong there as no Amiga related OS was supplied with it. Its a matter of concept, not name. As well as I do know only EdPonPon that has one - I believe not even a Dammy has one :-)

[vox]

But but but t3h reel, you nasty troll!

The most amusing thing to me is that this fork of BBOAH by the true believers doesn't even work with Amiga web browsers.

There is no supermacism in such position. There is a slight adventage of AmigaOS name, but people should know better.

 If people think (as I do) dedicated AROS and MorphOS boards do deserve an entry, why not first trying to make one? That is a positive way of pressuring, instead of seeing "supermacism" and "conspiracies" everywhere.

Web browsers for Amiga will improve, hopefully. It does work in OWB-MUI if that is the answer, but that is not an Classic browser (which is only Amiga for you?)

[vox]

Blah blah, repeat BS over and over again

That forked OS4 fanatic site doesn't even work with Odyssey.

Oh and there is no advantage to the name, the antics of the companies involved and of the cheerleaders over the last 13 years have made it a laughing stock.

I own the same Trademark in the very country you live in, your X1000 and it's OS infringe on my rights. Perhaps I should contact the relevant authorities and have it stopped at customs and denied entry.

Maybe I will, maybe I won't.

Surely, extremely positive attitude, serves the purpose.

However, I keep my rights to address the Amiga Kraljevo in any case :-)
http://www.amiga.rs/

They could do something really constructive.

[vox]

Commodity PC motherboards without a single trace of Amiga HW inside of it, albeit with PPC CPU and built in much smaller volumes, are now being added to that list of real Amiga hardware, just as you wanted. And of course *ONLY* those who runs OS4! Which is very "positive" indeed! None of the other NG systems that *also* runs on commodity HW (just like OS4), no, they are *explicitly singled out*, since there isn't "any connection between Aros/MorphOS and AmigaOS". They aren't "teh reel!!1!", it's as simple as that! It's there, in black on white! I just knew that the "MorphOS and AROS isn't related to Amiga" card would be played out, some people never misses an opportunity like this, and this has been a very "positive" experience indeed Vox!

:rolleyes:

Like I said before and original question included MorphOS too, I do believe at least Peg and Efika deserve the same. I don`t share the criteria of only OS4 offered.

Yes, this has been "very positive" experience for me.

Never again should I publicly ask for help here.

On having no HW connection to old Amiga, I am intersted to hear what people expected - AGA chipset maybe or Zorro bus?

[vox]

Never doubted it.

You still don't get it, despite what a gazillion of people has told you already on this site, on AW.net and on moobunny. So I won't bother again. It's not possible to get through to you, you aren't listening.
:lol:

I just don`t agree with you as to me AmigaNG hardware is also new Amiga hardware. Its just not Classic hardware, but my definition of Amiga is broader.

Well, now that we have been reminded again that MorphOS and AROS has no  connection to Amiga OS other than the API and that none of its HW should  be on the same list as OS4 hardware for this reason — let's talk about  cooperation! Wouldn't it be cool if the MorphOS developers and the AROS  developers could join forces with OS4 to create OS5? Wasn't it you who  said that?

These are my words, but it wasn`t me who said that MOS and AROS had no connection to AOS. So you are blaming me for something, I haven`t told.

However, you are right about one thing - I have no dream of reuniting people and OSs anymore, its obvious not even common problems and heritage doesn`t help at all.

Its all thank you folks for your attention. Its not my purpose to be Moo star.

[vox]

Sure, but you could argue that custom machines that are specifically built for AO4 may belong in their own section on the site, because they're Amiga related (while not being actual Amigas). Obviously, macs and pcs don't belong there at all.
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Surely, we agree on that - point is not to replace old Amigas, but to show what is today relevant.
Idea is not to replace / alter past, but add some continuation to it

Your definition of Amiga is irrelevant, because the makers of the  original Amiga computers got to decide what an Amiga is, not you. The  last Amigas are therefore the AGA Amigas. What you, me, or anyone else  thinks, is entirely irrelevant

In same manner, it was decided that AmigaOne is a successor line.

I wouldnt risk to say OS4 is official. It is officialy made by Hyperion,  and they "claim" it is the official "AmigaOS" but not "Amiga OS", and  that they have argued that they have some legal rights for that. And  then it runs on the "AmigaOne" but not on an "Amiga".

I wouldnt risk to say OS4 is official. It is officialy made by Hyperion,  and they "claim" it is the official "AmigaOS" but not "Amiga OS", and  that they have argued that they have some legal rights for that. And  then it runs on the "AmigaOne" but not on an "Amiga".

I would risk to say it is official, but that alone isn`t making it any advance to other two branches. Its AmigaOS (not Amiga OS) just because that is trademark allowed. AmigaOne is similarly, official successor of Amiga, but that doesn`t make Efika/Pegasos/AROS system any less what they are and not less Amiga related.

[vox]

+1

Sums it up quite nicely.

Yes, but AmigaOne is hardware specifically built for Amiga(OS)

Anyway, I am preparing X1000 entry for this weekend.