Trouble with Easynet

[Findlarn]

Hello there!

I've just received my new Easynet network card from amigakit.com. And unfortunately i have now run into some problems.

When i click the "online" button i get a message saying:

"AmiTCP/IP version 3 or later must be started first."

And then a error message saying "Unable to open bsdsocket.library"

So what is wrong here, and how do i fix it?
I am using a A1200 with Classic WB, full version.

Thanks!

[Findlarn]

Oldsmobile_Mike:

Yes it came with a installation script. And i installed everything carefully according to the printed documentation.

And well, when things started to go bad i tried to install Miami through the installer located in "Drawers/MyFiles" So maybe i should remove that installation first. But is that just a matter of deleting the directory that i installed it in? Or is there Miami related files located somewhere else?

I use the latest version of "Classic WB" (Scalos)

[Findlarn]

And just to make things worse! I just noticed that when you restart with the card plugged in it says "CardPatch failed returncode 10" :angry:

[Findlarn]

Sir_Lucas:

Ethernet.


AmigaOldskooler:

Thanks! Looks really nice! I might give that a try instead.


Oldsmobile_Mike:

Huh.  Did the installation instructions tell you to do that?  AFAIK  EasyNet is a complete TCP/IP solution, same as Miami, or Genesis, or  Roadshow, etc., and wouldn't need to be installed along with anything  else.  Trying to run multiple stacks simultaneously is definitely going  to cause some issues.

No the instructions didn't tell me so. I tried to install Miami because of the problems i already had with Easynet. That, without knowing it might cause even more trouble. I have however taken Miami away now.

I did a little googling and saw some comments about an "11 page  instruction manual" for EasyNet.  Did you get this?

Yes, those pics are from the manual that i have here.

Personally I would dump EasyNet and try to have a go with either  Roadshow or Miami.  All the various stacks have their pros & cons,  Roadshow is far and above the fastest (as reported by everyone who was  able to get it working), Miami is probably the easiest (because of it's  GUI).  Just my .02 cents.

Ok, never heard of roadshow. And to be honest, i actually only know about Miami and this one. But i would probably go for one with a GUI. Mostly because i am a complete newbie when it comes to networking on Amiga. And i will also check out that video to see if that might help clear things up


So... the best idea here is maybe to delete both Miami and Easynet and start over from scratch. But i am still afraid that doesn't answer the question on what to do with the "CardPatch failed returncode 10" message...

I also would like to know where you usually install your TCP/IP stack. Is it suppose to go in the "Programs" folder? Because that is where i put it.

[Findlarn]

Are you running any of the card reset patches currently?

The Amiga doesn't have a "Programs" drawer. Well, maybe it does with   ClassicWB, but normally it doesn't. Normal location is SYS:Internet,   although some components may go in WBStartup,  some in C:, etc. Or with   Roadshow, it puts folders all over the place. Which was a complaint  that  came up in another thread a while back.

Well,  the card patches where installed first, together with the driver for  the ethernet card. But if those patches ("CardReset" and "CardPatch" i  believe they are called) where already installed by default like mechy  said. Shouldn't those files just be overwritten and replaced by the system when they are  being installed again? So my first question is. How do i check/fix that?

And my second question is. Are you really sure it is in a location called "SYS:Internet"? Because that directory simply doesn't seem to exist on my setup!? Or are you referring to OS3.5/3.9?

With that said i also would like to point out once again that i am using ClassicWB based around WB 3.1.  So please, try to stick to how things work in that particular environment. Or else things gets really confusing. (At least that's what i think :razz:)

And my third question is. How do i really make sure both of these stacks are completely gone? All i have done so far is just to delete the drawers for them. But if files are placed in drawers like C: How do i then know witch ones to delete? Do they all have "Miami/AmiTCP" baked into there file names?

One more thing that i really don't get here is when i was trying to install Miami for the first time, the system told me something about that it already had a Miami assign on it. Are Miami already installed by default in ClassicWB? If so, where is it located? Because i just cannot seem to find that one either?

Also in case you haven't figured it out yet, i am not only a newbie with Amiga networking. I am also a complete newbie when it comes to "ClassicWB" as well. Just installed it about two months ago. The only versions i have used prior to this is 1.3, 2.04. And just a little bit of the traditional 3.1. So please excuse me if i am sometimes asking some really dumb questions :p

[Findlarn]

Are you really fond of ClassicWB?  I'm pretty opinionated on this subject, and my opinion is that it's rubbish.  Dump it and go with regular Workbench 3.9, or try 3.1 + BetterWB.  Might have better luck there.

Of course, plenty of people love and swear by ClassicWB, so there is that.  

Amiga doesn't really have "requirements" about where stuff goes, but if you have an installer that's looking for a file in SYS:Internet (the standard place) and ClassicWB has renamed that to "Programs", or some other godforsaken thing to try to make it more PC-like...  well, who knows.  

Took one look at a recent ClassicWB screenshot, and this... no... this, this is all wrong, LOL.  

SYS: should be your system files, you shouldn't have a gazillion  subdirectories inside of that for "WBGames", "Demos", "Games",  "MyFiles", blah blah.  What is all that?  That's what the Work:  partition is for.  Or god-forbid is it too much to ask to put "Games" on  a separate partition from your System files?  Why the H-E-double  hockeysticks would you put Demos in your SYS: partition?  AAAHHHH.  I think my head exploded a little bit looking at this.  In the words of every teenage girl everywhere, "I can't even".  

I couldn't really say that i am particularly fond of it. Like i said earlier i have been using it now for about two months. And at first i was very impressed by it's visual appearance. But to be honest, i been having quite a hard time with it. Like trying to find out where the most basic things are located! And i also agree that all of those sub directories are very confusing. And yes, there is a logical reason why it exists a Work partition! I mean, why changing the very basic rules!?

I think that i will now start all over and try out this "BetterWB" instead. Didn't know about it until now. I will definitely come back later with reports on how it goes. And hopefully i will get my miggy online this time!

[Findlarn]

Ok, here is a little update on what has happened so far:

First i was into the idea of installing "BetterWB". But i then realized that with my "Viper 1230 LC" accelerator card installed i could instead go for OS 3.9. The only thing missing was the Kickstart 3.1 roms. So i got those from Amigakit.com. Installed 3.9 and then the "Boingbags" 1 to 4 (in correct order of course ) and that is where i am right now.

And i also have some new questions:

What exactly is Picasso96? And do you need it on a real 1200 with no extra graphics cards installed?

My second question is. After that i had installed the kickstart 3.1 roms, the CF-PCMCIA adapter stopped working. Although i have so far only tried it under the previous (original, NOT "classicWB") 3.1 installation. And to get it to work again i had to set the accelerator cards jumper to 4MB instead of 8MB of ram. But that is obviously not what i want, especially now when i have 3.9 installed! So is there a way to get around this? Or will it work again if i install the "ADAPCMCFL" disk in 3.9? Is that safe to do? I mean, is it compatible? Or do i now have to get a completely new accelerator!? :angry:

[Findlarn]

Picasso96 is a RTG system, video drivers for the GFX cards. You need a gfx card to use it.
http://lilliput.amiga-projects.net/Picasso96.htm

http://aminet.net/package/driver/video/Picasso96

 I kind of suspected that. But thanks for telling me.

To put long story short.
1. Viper 1230 LC is not a PCMCIA friendly accelerator. In order to use it with Kick 3.1 you'll have to set it up to 4MB
2. Kick 3.0 doesn't check if there's something in the PCMCIA memory address. Therefore you were able to use your CF-PCMCIA adapter and/or PCMCIA WLAN/LAN card.
3. Yes, you'll need a new accelerator - PCMCIA friendly, e.g. Blizzard, ACA, etc. anything that supports more than 8MB Fast Ram.

Have a look here as well - Long story
http://www.amiga.org/forums/archive/index.php/t-58624.html

http://www.amiga.org/forums/archive/index.php/t-60108.html

http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=62118

Ok, that's not the best of news. Also i don't have any money right now to spend on a new accelerator. So for now i think i just put kick 3.0 back and install "BetterWB" instead.

[Findlarn]

3.1 isn't changing the way memory is addressed, it's just correcting a bug in the way it's handled.  In other words, you only have 8MB of address space.  Your PCMCIA card uses some, and your accelerator uses some.  If your accelerator is using all 8MB and your PCMCIA card is using some of that same 8MB... well, I'd expect system instability or crashes when data tries to write to those locations.  But do what you want, lol.  

Yes i know that very well now. But it is only temporarily until i have sourced out a new, PCMCIA friendly accelerator. Also, running 3.9 with only 4MB of fast mem sounds quite restricted. But now when i think about it, maybe i should leave kick 3.1 in there. No point really of switching back.