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Re: AOS4 & Amigaone
« on: November 04, 2005, 07:19:18 PM »
As with the original Amiga, the price of the operating system is embedded into the package. Consider that before you state it is overpriced.
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Re: AOS4 & Amigaone
« Reply #1 on: November 04, 2005, 10:07:09 PM »
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ITS OVERPRICED, which part do you not understand. Unless you believe that OS4, is a $300 OS, then its overpriced, and even then its really overpriced. MacMini with OSX and lots of bundled software goes for $499, its faster, its more powerful, it has more features, it'll edit High Definition Video for gods sake.


And you compare the Mac mini, something that is selling by the thousands each week, with this board? Please connect some wires before you open your mouth.
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Re: AOS4 & Amigaone
« Reply #2 on: November 06, 2005, 07:15:16 PM »
The thing that strikes me as funny when people are comparing prices are this;

They take a commodity motherboard with equivalent or better specs, then compare the prices and come up "the A1 is overpriced!". Now, have you ever considered the other costs, apart from manufacturing?

As in, licensing/buying the schematics for the design you're going to use? Paying someone to make changes to that design .. cause, no matter what some people say, the original Teron and the A1 aren't exactly the same. They have evolved over time, and that's not cause someone was nice enough to just update them for free.

Let's take an example.. someone spends 50k USD on design. That same someone spends another 50k USD on producing 100 boards.

Now, production costs alone reach 500USD per board, but that's without counting the previous 50K USD used in design. It's also without adding the price for the operating system (let's face it, Hyperion have spent 3+ years on this and they've done a pretty damn good job). Big question is, do you support this someone spending *alot* of their hard earned cash in giving you a new platform, or don't you? Is it unfair to charge alot more than what it costs to produce? I'd say it depends on the other, hidden costs that most people don't have a clue about - often the same people handing out long rants about how boards are overpriced and obsolete.

Wake up and smell the coffee, this isn't about being state of the art, it's not about being the cheapest on the block either. It's about bringing people something so that they can run their favourite operating system.
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Re: AOS4 & Amigaone
« Reply #3 on: November 06, 2005, 10:15:38 PM »
So now the argument shifts from money to quality? Yes, it's pricey for the reasons stated above. Yes, some thing don't work quite as they were intended. But ask the owners if they're happy or not. That's the only thing that matters in the end anyway. The A1 ownerns I've met and know, most of them have said "yeah, DMA/Ethernet/USB is a shame, but I(or my dealer) have worked around that problem so it's no longer a problem for me" and they all seem quite happy with their purchase.

It seems to me that just cause some people don't like the hardware for one reason or another, they try their hardest to discourage others (and to my knowledge, not one of these 'die-hard anti-advocates' even owns an A1). Makes you wonder, doesn't it.
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Re: AOS4 & Amigaone
« Reply #4 on: November 06, 2005, 11:01:08 PM »
It was an *example* - not something to be taken as truth. But if you think that the A1 has not undergone revisions and alterations, you're the one being silly.

Eyetech, afaik, licensed the design. That means they bought the design, produced some prototypes and then revised them as problems cropped up. Look at the Micro Mk2 for example (I have one here). Put an Mk2 and an Mk3 (aka -C) next to eachother and you see alot of differences, and I mean ALOT. So saying they're just "reflashing the rom" just makes you look ignorant.

Next you say that the Amiga community shouldn't pay for someone's failed attempts. The fact is, apart from the Phase5 Cyberstorm and Blizzard PPC boards, what other boards are available right here, right now that are capable of running AOS4? Do you even own an A1? If not - you haven't shelled out for it and I wonder why you seem to have shouldered the title of "defender of the amiga community"? Contrary to VisCorp, Gateway and whatnot, Eyetech actually put a product out there. Now, you might not like the price, you might not like the specifications - FINE. I don't preach to you, so why do you feel the need to preach to me?
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