Pegasos running native OS4 apps?

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What happens when OS4 and AmigaOne is released bigtime....and Pegasos find themselves unable to run native amiga software???

What native OS4 apps? Hopefully all important programs will have AOS/MOS/OS4 versions.

Anyone is free to produce OS4 only programs, but they will have to face a limited userbase then.

I see a split in the Amiga community coming!!!

Yes, OS4 will split the community. Emphasizing it so, that the solution which started when OS4 was not even an idea, and is available for a pretty long time (first public betas appeared long-long ago) "splits" the community, rather than the almost exact copy of it - is pretty hilarious.

MorphOS indeed splitted the community - but that split was between a solution which had nothing to do with the original AmigaOS [namely AmigaDE] and MorphOS.

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Please understand what this licence is about. The facts about it have been twisted over and over, but if you look at the essence, it serves its purpose. The main point is that OS 4 will not be available boxed (except for CSPPC and BlizzardPPC). It will only be sold with a board. Secondly, the hardware vendor should, through the licence, be bound to some degree of customer support.

I don't think that the conditions are unreasonable.

That depends on the conditions, which are not available to us, and you claim that you don't know them either. Or am I mistaken?

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Will a special dongle be required for each future Hyperion games then? :-)

- OS 4 must not be sold separately (unless otherwise stated in the licence agreement). Units of OS 4 sold must be included with the board, but it doesn't mean that anyone wanting the board has to buy OS 4.

If there was not the few words in the brackets, it'd be utter nonsense. Someone purchases a Pegasos 2 board, and when later decides so that he wants OS4 he has to purchase a new board...

I'm sure you will understand that.

As to the conditions - I think the most important conditions are those which you have omitted. Namely the hard cash part into which the manufacturer/dealer is forced into, and of what we know nothing.

I don't know if there is a licence fee at all (other than the costs of a copy of OS 4).

That's what I've mentioned. I suppose there is.

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You suppose there is? That means you are condemming the whole concept because you assume?

I assume that if there were no money involved, and obtaining the licence were so easy as you depict it, we'd have Amiga/Pegasos dealers in a long line offering Pegasos with OS4 "when released".

We have none. Care to explain the phaenomenon?

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The phaenomenon is easily explained: Rumours are flying. Just look at yourself. *Everbody* is assuming that it has got so many strings attached that it isn't worth asking.

When someone deeply involved in OS4 development and being one of the core members of Hyperion admits 'he doesn't know' then don't be surprised of assumptions.

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But unless that information is available, we won't know who to blame :-) I think my position is understandable as well right? (To whom should I write a letter problem, you know) :-)

I'd like to know if it's Genesi's/Hyperion's/AmigaInc's/Dealers' fault that there is no OS4 on Pegasos. Even if it's not a simple issue.

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Why? Would it change the result? I don't think so. The truth will probably be someone in the middle anyway.

The pressure of the public is a power not to be underestimated. :-) It's one of the reasons why OS4 exists.

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Spending a Pegasos to Hyperion just nothing. You can't start writing an OS on a machine that you don't know (internally). And that infos Genesi will not share with their competitors. Vice versa Hyperion will not share the infos on how to write the OS4-HAL (Hardware abstraction layer) on a new machine.

I'm pretty sure that Hyperion'd receive the same support as anyone else who are porting an operating system to the Pegasos (and there are quite many of the kind).

Not to mention AROS - Aros is a competition to MorphOS as well, yet they receive all what is needed.

"They won't provide support as they are competition" is a bit paranoid IMHO

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Skyraker wrote:

Some of the Mos crowd (not all) have gone on and on and bloody on about how bad OS4 is going to be and how smashing, great , super MOS is.... and now theyre crying foul play because they can't run OS4.

Stick with Morphos guys, it's much better, you've been telling us that for years.

If it wasn't so pathetic it would be funny.

Sigh... Again someone from the "One Machine, One OS" crowd? I currently use 3 different operating systems on my Pegasos, to my greatest satisfaction. All three has it's strengths and weaknesses.

Luckily we're not living in the computer stone age where we had only one option. Pegasos has and will have plenty OS options - OS4 would be only one of them. Nice or ugly, good or bad, is still yet to be seen. If a port ever happens, that is.