Author Topic: Arrrgh! (FastATA 4000 MK-VI 8.0 and issues with keyboard.) (Read 11049 times)

slaapliedje · « **Reply #14 on:** June 09, 2014, 04:55:37 PM »

This PSU has a 20+4 pin (so the extra 4 pins are off to the side).

It seems like the Amiga never even starts up. The lights flash for the devices, like I said, but then the only thing that remains doing anything is the PSU's fan.

Now I'm starting to wonder if it fried the CF card adapter. It's really hot when I turn it on with the A4000's PSU, and it's not detected at all in the Boot Options screen.

When I get home from work I'm going to test the CF adapter on my PC to see if still works or not. I don't recall it getting that hot before....

slaapliedje

slaapliedje · « **Reply #15 on:** June 09, 2014, 05:19:31 PM »

Just the individual pins? I do have a volt meter laying around somewhere. Ha ha, the Amiga, be an electronics expert to fix your own stuff, you'll save tons of money.

slaapliedje

slaapliedje · « **Reply #16 on:** June 09, 2014, 07:02:12 PM »

I have a system with a Mini-ITX board in it that I'll try connecting the PSU to, for testing whether or not it's bad. It's a Silverstone, which I don't have any previous experience with, but it definitely should be one of the higher quality ones, I know Silverstone is mostly known for their cases though.

I'm going to guess it probably is something to do with not detecting anything on the 3.3v line, but I'll figure that out once I get home from work and can test it.

slaapliedje

slaapliedje · « **Reply #17 on:** June 10, 2014, 03:10:19 AM »

Okay, so I checked the voltages;

A4000

O U O 1 2 3

U O U 4 5 6

Is the basic layout. I put the numbers there as reference.

Two and three are ground, black on the adapter, blue on the A4000 PSU.

Pin 1 is 5v, pin 4 is 12v, and pin 5 is -12v. Pin 6 is at 4.33v, but according to this page; http://www.ianstedman.co.uk/Amiga/amiga_hacks/Amiga_Power_supplies/amiga_power_supplies.html#OrigPSURate it only shows a +12v, -12v and +5v...

The actual ratings I got with my A4000 PSU was 5.01v, 11.45v and -11.98v. pin 6 gave me 4.33v. There wasn't much fluctuation, except when it first powered on. Also of note, I had left the hard drive, floppy drive and CDrom plugged in at this point to draw a little current.

The Silverstone PSU I don't have anything else plugged into, and it was a pretty solid 5v, 12.11v, -11.53~54 and 3.66v

By the way, the CF-IDE adapter is either completely fried, or the CF card is bad. It really does overheat (to the point where it could burn you if you left it on for more than 5-10 minutes. Even if I just plug power into it, it gets really hot. As you mentioned earlier, sounds like there's a short, but I don't see one anywhere, I'll try to look closer, could be that I loosened something under where the power connects that made a connection somewhere.)

I'm about to try swapping out the PSU again and see if it boots (could be the newer PSU detected the short and shut down, where as the A4000's original PSU doesn't have such a feature...)

slaapliedje

slaapliedje · « **Reply #18 on:** June 10, 2014, 03:21:42 AM »

Wow, so I hooked it all up and ran it... both the 12v and the 5v... they'll go up to about 3 volts, then it powers off. Fan stops spinning etc. I removed each device one by one to see if something was causing it, and removed the motherboard last... the motherboard is where the power drain happened. Anyone have any ideas there?

It's obviously not doing the same thing with the A4000D PSU. Though someone mentioned earlier in this thread that maybe the newer PSU needs a 3.3v connection somewhere?

slaapliedje

slaapliedje · « **Reply #19 on:** June 10, 2014, 03:34:26 PM »

I actually had my motherboard recapped and tested last year by Amigakit, and I haven't had any problems with it except this FastATA card.

So it sounds to me like that 3.66v output is not sufficient for the A4000 to say "Hey, I have power" instead it gives me a big "!@#$ you, I'm turning off!"

Like I had said, even the PSU turns off at that point. Maybe I'll see if I can dig up another PSU to test with, I'm almost 100% sure it's not the Amiga, and it is the PSU. At least with that I can just find a cheaper solution. I'll probably use this PSU in a separate project (been thinking of building a steam machine

)

slaapliedje

slaapliedje · « **Reply #20 on:** June 10, 2014, 05:48:19 PM »

Yeah, I'll rip an older ATX out of a computer I have sitting in my pile of parts when I get home and test that out.

Ha ha, yeah, that Silverstone was 95 bucks, I wanted it 'cause it was modular and I was hoping I could get rid of some of the non-needed cabling, though I find it crappy that all the 4-pin Molex cables I have are 8-pin except the one that came with it, and it needs a 6-pin. I have several modular power supplies 'cause they're awesome.

I may just have to go with the non-modular PSU that you suggested.

Will PM you, Thanks!

slaapliedje

slaapliedje · « **Reply #21 on:** June 16, 2014, 04:40:45 AM »

Different PSU, no success. Though, at least I did get it to boot, but the FastATA still has the issue.

I think AllegroCDFS screwed up my system, 'cause now it won't fully boot, even on the hard drive that is just IDE and connected via the normal IDE connector.

But otherwise, I received the CF card adapter and 64mb card from Danbeaver (Thanks again!) and connected it up. Seemed like it was working fine, didn't lock up when I started the fastata.driver up, when I tried copying over a smaller file, then deleting it, it worked. Then I copied over a larger file and it said 'cannot output to..' or something like that, and now it's giving me a checksum error

I'm almost 100% sure the Transcend 32GB CF card is not compatible with the voltages or something, because it overheats on this adapter as well (the other adapter completely stopped working, I think it may have gotten hot enough to fry something).

I ended up ordering another (SanDisk this time, which I've seen recommended) 32GB CF card, along with a CF card adapter just like the one Dan sent me (again, many thanks!) so I can send the one back to him. This is very frustrating, seems that just about all the hardware that I've received from this purchase has issues.

Oh, the above tests were with the stock PSU.

slaapliedje

slaapliedje · « **Reply #22 on:** June 16, 2014, 10:05:30 PM »

Holy %&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!, I have the exact same hardware then! Interesting, I still have my A3640 and can swap them out and will confirm if that's the issue or not.

I tested the Transcend 32GB CF card in a USB card reader and it still gets hot, but seems to read/write just fine.

I bet you anything it's incompatible with something on the Cyberstorm MK1 then, either the 060 library or just the way it works. Anyone have any ideas on that?

slaapliedje

P.S. Wow, I didn't swear that much, just one four letter word. Guess A-eon turned on the filter and messed it up?

slaapliedje · « **Reply #23 on:** June 16, 2014, 11:19:18 PM »

Quote from: yurif74;766923

from elbox:
•Automatic processor type recognition
The FastATA 4000 MK-VI CF/SATA controller automatically detects type of processor and optimises and modifies some software routines in order to achieve the highest possible data transfer rate between the controller and the computer memory.

now afaik workbench recognize the 68060 as 68040 until setpatch is called... i've the fastata.driver command BEFORE the setpatch command..
it's very late here now, but tomorrow i've some free time and i will do some experiments.. then i let know

Juri

I will somehow find a way to pay you if that is the fix! I'll give it a shot hopefully in an hour or so. Stuck at work 'til then. Though if that's the fix, I'm going to be pissed off at Elbox. I would think the installer would put FastATA.Driver after setpatch anyhow.

slaapliedje

slaapliedje · « **Reply #24 on:** June 18, 2014, 03:32:43 PM »

D'oh! I'm still not having any luck. I can get it to boot off of the Emergency disk I've created, and it'll read at PIO mode 4, but as soon as I try to write anything to it, it freezes.

PIO Mode 0 is the only thing I can get to work, but then it won't boot off the CF Card. Granted this is my 32GB one that was overheating (seems to not do that so much now) and the errors I get when it tries to boot is 'C: not an executable, cannot load' or something like that.

Anyone have any ideas?

slaapliedje

slaapliedje · « **Reply #25 on:** June 18, 2014, 05:12:13 PM »

Unfortunately, the ata3.driver and fastata.driver are completely different. I don't see anything on the boot up (if I remove QUIET) except for the Drive, Size, and Speed.

I added the C:CPU060 line right above it and after SetPatch, and it now spews out a bunch of stuff about the 060 being loaded up but it still locks up with anything other than PIO 0.

I should have my new CF card adapter and card later today when I get home, so I'll give those a try and see if it will give me a more stable system.

slaapliedje

slaapliedje · « **Reply #26 on:** July 10, 2014, 02:59:03 AM »

Figured it was time for an update.

No matter what I do, how I have anything set up, if I go higher than PIO mode 3, my partitions are corrupted when I to write anything to disk. Then I have to re-copy everything over again via WinUAE.

On the upside, I actually read the PFS3 documentation and found that if you have a Zorro III IDE controller (which the FastATA 4000 MK-VI definitely is) than you should use 0xffffffff as your Mask (I think that's correct, pretty sure it was). This in theory enables DMA, and is really fast, even at PIO 3. I just wish I could get 4 or 5...

slaapliedje

slaapliedje · « **Reply #27 on:** July 10, 2014, 07:34:10 PM »

Yeah, an SSD on a max 10MB/s is a waste, unless you're going for quiet (in which case you may as well get CF card, though apparently some of them can be rather problematic).

I'll have to try another hard drive, I got a few old IDE ones I can throw on it, but as stated above, the reasoning behind a CF over Hard drive is the noise, it's nice to be that much quieter, some of those old Deathstars that I have are loud.

I did recently purchase two 480GB SSD drives for my computer, maybe I'll try out the other one in my Amiga...

slaapliedje

slaapliedje · « **Reply #28 on:** July 10, 2014, 11:49:32 PM »

Yeah, 35MB/s is HUGE in the Classic Amiga realm. When you figure that probably the largest programs for the Amiga would be CD-ROM based, and even then, the actual programs are probably smaller than 30MB.

As it stands, the lowly speed I'm getting on the CF card right now makes most things seem almost instant.

Ha, even the SSD I just put Windows 7 on has some weird lag bringing up the UI for specific programs. Almost like the drive is faster than what Windows can handle.

It is sad that the MK1 only has the SCSI module, I'm guessing it only supports up to SCSI-2 drives.

I do have an Adaptec controller that works with the Mediator... unfortunately I can't use it as a boot drive... well and I'm out of PCI slots

slaapliedje

slaapliedje · « **Reply #29 from previous page:** July 11, 2014, 01:17:16 AM »

Unfortunately I don't have the SCSI module, otherwise I would have! I figured the FastATA is a Zorro 3 card, so wouldn't that take advantage?

In the PFS3 documentation, it shows that you should use 0xfffffffc if you are using the internal IDE of an A4000, but if you're using a Zorro 3 bus card, you should use 0xffffffff as the mask in HDTools, so that's what I'm using now.

That was always the beauty of SCSI, it didn't take CPU load. Also why SCSI drives were more expensive. I always sort of referred to IDE drives as 'dumb' drives, since they only have very basic bits of controller on it, where it seemed SCSI certainly had more. They're all just otherwise platters.

At the current PIO Mode 3 that I'm running, drivespeed shows 4529485 Bytes/sec.

So it's not terribly bad (much better than the standard IDE controller) but not great.

In theory, it should get up to 15?