CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney

[dammy]

If you predicted the "rage" months ago then why did you continue with the plan to bastardize the Amiga name with this non-Amiga product?

Nobody would be upset if it was a range of "Commodore" branding products covering PCs, Android Tablets, Emulator packages, etc.  It is hi-jacking of the Amiga name which is still alive and kicking and plastering it on non-Amiga products for apparently no other reason than sticking it to Hyperion.  Was this part of the agreement with Amiga Inc?

So this whole rage thing is about protecting Hyperion?

[dammy]

No, it is about using the "Amiga" name to describe actual "Amiga" products and not a linux PC running UAE or some tablet with a checkered wallpaper.  If it is this difficult for you to understand then this will end up being a very short and very expensive business venture.

You've pissed off actual Amiga users so they're not going to buy.  You're also going to piss off old Amiga users who end up thinking "what does this shit have to do with my old miggy?".  Way to go.

In case you missed it earlier Darrin, I'm not an employee nor am I an investor of C=USA.  In fact I can remember feeling the rage you have right now when they deluded the worthy Amiga name by some rebadged h0rked up PPC mobo with the name AmigaOne which sold initially running only Linux.   You had the same rage back then, right?

[dammy]

A PPC board that runs AmigaOS 4... if you really can't tell the difference between a PPC board running AmigaOS 4 and a generic x86 running Windows 7/Linux and think they're both Amigas, then there's really no hope here.  The difference should be blindly obvious to any one.

You are glossing it over.  It was a generic PPC mobo with a botched chipset being dumped by the OEM before they went under and the early sales had Linux and not OS4 installed..  I sure can as heck compare it against generic x86 running AROS, both are 1990s Amiga OS like clones, just one didn't have a Amiga badge but ran on better quality, faster, and low cost hardware.

The OS is really the only defining factor in computers these days, Macs are not the same as PCs running Win 7 just because of the hardware similarities, what makes them a Mac?  Because they run the MacOS and run Mac apps, same with Amiga hardware, if it doesn't run AmigaOs or Amiga apps, it's not an Amiga.

On the flip side, the currently badged Amiga OS doesn't run on Commodore Amigas.  All in all, I don't need a 1990s OS, I need a modern (SMP/MP/MU) Amiga OS and I don't see that coming from the current Amiga community in any of the current flavors. I will wait to see if C=USA can come up with a true next generation Amiga type OS or not.  They haven't told us anything about their next generation OS, why damn them before they do so?

[dammy]

You mean Disney actually accepted to take their money in exchange for putting a piece of paper inside the casing? Wow yeah they must be REAL CLOSE :roflmao:

If I had money to waste I could have got flyers for Olivia Wild flavour lollipops to be put in there, if Disney had asked them and given them a 90% discount for the pleasure of being associated with them then I would be impressed. Anyone can advertise anything if they pay for it. Hell rubbish drivers can get behind the wheel of Formula 1 cars if they pay for the pleasure, this is no more significant.

Pay close attention, this is DISNEY, they don't do it that way.  Why don't you call and ask Disney yourself if you can advertise your product and see what they say?

[dammy]

What I dont get is there is no interface connections to use a 1541 or cassette drive ?  They dont seem to be offering any add-on kit.  Are they just assuming you will go online and download the disk (c) images.. one file at a time? Do they just supply them with a TOSEC DVD collection?  Wikipedia shows software copyright infringement laws begin to start to expire in 2030.  Companies may be out of business but Ebay even continues to remove pirated collections.  And people continue to make large profits from old software there from collectors.

There will be a app store to purchase C64 software.  I suspect it won't take too long before new games/apps to appear after it's opening.  I know, it's a foreign idea around here that Devs can make money from their work.

If they are banking on people who actually buy the disney movie rather than download the mkv file, they probably aren't smart enough to know the retro torrent communities in the first place.

Pathetic pirates are not the target market.

This will be really interesting come next month when they get flooded with tech support calls from people on how to load their disks.. hahahaahahaha

Tech support is done by a contractor.

[dammy]

Dammy you missed the point.  People have old treasured disks; geneology, ansi art they may had made as a kid, old letters / documents.  that stuff can't be bought.  And games / programs they already own ?

Check out flea markets, they may have a C64 and disk drive.  If there is enough of a demand, I'm sure either C=USA or some other company will make a  USB 5.25" disk drive or cart reader.

You are missing the point of nostalgia and just back up everyone's view on how they are approaching this.  It's a mod kit, and you said yourself.. you don't give a damn about people.. its about trying to ca$h in on the namebrand.

I already brought up these subjects months ago actually.  Cheapest way is to go to the online app store and repurchase the game.  I haven't seen the pricing yet, but I suspect the pricing to be pretty reasonable.  I have a feeling if C=USA did support those old C64 media, it would have driven the price up too high.  It's a question on how much it will cost to buy it from online app store vs paying for support hardware to reuse those old games.

[dammy]

dammy: I have no intention of buying crap from cussa.

Then why are you posting on commodore-amiga.org?  Or on this thread with a throw away account?

[dammy]

Look, I don't care whether you have to say "pretty please" and do a little dance or not, money changed hands and CUSA got advertising space. Everything else is just bureacratic twiddling.

That is because you don't want to really know the difference.  First lets look at co-branding:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Co-branding

Second, Disney does not sell advertising space.

Third, it's a huge accomplishment to be partnering with Disney, they do a complete background check on the company before they sign any agreement.  You can belittle it all you want, it is what it is and there is nothing you can say to change it. Nor will it change any of the future relationship(s) Disney may have with C=USA.

[dammy]

 
Dave Haynie likes Commodore USA, LLC. I guess Dave Haynie is a CUSA fanboy and not a real Amigan?

:banana:

[dammy]

So? Whether 2,000 people are interested in this or 20,000,000, it doesn't make it anything other than what it is: a low-end PC in a fancy case trying to make a fast buck off nostalgia from people who don't understand that the C64 was more than just an amusingly-shaped box.

Dual core Atom with Ion2 isn't bad for the C64x.  What would you have put in it instead and kept the price about the same?  Remember, the contracts were done months ago.

[dammy]

You haven't done anything to promote or help the Amiga "cause" as of yet.

I also don't believe your passion for the Amiga, nobody who "loved" or cared for the Amiga as a platform would reduce it to a low-end PC in a vaguely Amiga-ish case.

Of course I look forward to being proved wrong and for you to deliver more than you have with the C64x, an atom netbook innards in an old fashioned case running Linux, but from your performance so far, my hopes aren't high.  It would seem many others in the Amiga community feel the same way, your attitude also doesn't win you many fans.

So far we've seen a low quality website with mostly stolen images from the community, trolling from you and your cohorts on various forums, such as Dammy's incessant "OS 4 users are gonna piiiissssed this month!", various name calling and venom spat around, threatening to sue OS News, intentionally trying to annoy OS 4 fans by naming some linux distro "Workbench 5" until you realised you couldn't, getting a bad rep in most of the "retro" community, and apparently releasing a netbook in an old C64 case.

Sorry but you'll have to do a hell of a lot more than that before you've convinced me you're doing anything worthwhile or valuable "for the Amiga", so far all I see are vague "threats" that you're going to basically continue to drag its name through the mud even more while claiming yourself as some kind of saviour.

Quite frankly you can piss away your money in any way you like, but personally I look forward to your pointless operation ending as soon as possible so you lot leave us all alone.  

The Amiga has been dead commercially almost 20 years, it's going to take a hell of a lot more than what you're doing to bring it back, sorry but I've seen more impressive and bigger companies come and go than you.

No I wouldn't put any of my $$$ into the Amiga or Commodore today, because the brands will not be commercially successful, they're too long dead and too retro in 2011.  I'll wait and see your sales figures, but I don't think anyone wants a PC in a 30 year old C64 case anymore than they want a blu-ray player in an early 80s VHS player case.

If you really loved the Amiga you'd at least let it die/rip with some dignity.

So are you finished now?

[dammy]

I wish you were.

Wish I was what?

[dammy]

Are the CUSA zealots?

That's BAFs to you. :banana:

[dammy]

Finished.

Shouldn't you be busy deleting the negative quotes on your website before people read them?

No I stand behind my post.

[dammy]

Imagine what is going through the roof when customers realize they bought an Commodore but not an Amiga

They are buying a C64x.  Commodore Amiga series details have not been announced let alone released for sales.  How could anyone confuse a C64x with an Amiga?  I don't see how that would be possible.

[dammy]

i imagine there will be a slightly more accurate article tomorrow after the official launch.

-- eliyahu

More information will be released at midnight (Eastern USA).  If I didn't screw up, the new video will be on the News section of commodore-amiga.org site.  I have a feeling commodoreusa.net will have something after midnight as well.