Given x1000 news is everywhere.....but nonchalance prevails

[dammy]

so basically an amped up cell phone that you'd connect to a monitor if need be

You should be seeing dual core 2.5GHz ARM cellphones by the end of the year that can encode/decode 1080P.  I think it can edit as well.  If you look at http://www.slate.com/id/2257495/pagenum/all desktop sales do not look too impressive since laptops exceeded desktop sales last year.  It's about being mobile now, desktops are for the gamers and for heavy users.

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@The BilgeRat
But you can drive similar comparisons of that same HP workstation with iMacs or $5000 Alienware machines, where if you buy the same pieces yourself, you can get the same specs at half the price (I could build up another godzillion comparisons) still they don't run AmigaOS do they?

Sure they do, UAE or AROS.  Need to run that old game, it's there right now and for zero costs.  

This is a machine for AmigaOS those interested will buy it, those not interested will not (no need for apple to orange comparisons).

By that notion, can we then fairly point out how gimped that platform is for not offering mobile solutions either like the other platforms?  I realize your trying to spin a huge negative by sweeping it under the rug, but it's not going away.  North of 1500 GBP is not economically sustainable.

Talking about the price, it is not known yet, I saw much fuss done for a post made by user Tommo1975 but nobody cared for user djrikki who in the very same thread says he heard "less than €1500" and with all THAT CONFUSION where everybody is saying they couldn't clearly hear a thing, it's quite understandable.

Blame A-EON for not putting the information up on their web site.  Their marketing director needs to be fired.

Anyway, the X1000 is aimed at developers and power-users according to A-Eon, meaning they don't plan any mass market sales for now .

It's a Dev board, like I got roasted on AWN for saying and I was proven correct.  Worse yet OS4 remains 32 bit and no SMP and very limited MP.   My estimates for total sale units for the first 12 months will stand at  in the 200s or 300s.  I hope for Trevor's sake I'm proven wrong on this, but I sincerely doubt it.

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about Aros/WinUAE, the first is not very usable at the moment (I have icaros desktop worry not), and the second does not empower its users at doing modern stuff on Amiga.

I wouldn't be making too many comparisons in regards to usability of OS4 running on a A1X1K right now vs Icaros Distro. ;-)  Second does empower what the vast majority of "amiga" users want, to play their old games.

I won't start talking about modern  browsing, FLASH, what  kind of 3D is possible today etc. etc. (and don't start with "i  do that in windows" silly argument, the point is doing that ON AMIGA) I  will instead point your attention to the fact that after porting OS4.1  to the X1000, they will start modernizing the OS in order to take  advantage of it.

Since it took, what, six years to port AOS to PPC, I wouldn't be holding my breath for a 64 bit, SMP, full MP OS4 in the near future.  Does OS4 currently have 2D/3D drivers?

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Usabilty will be up and running soon worry not, and about the time it takes to develop 3D drivers, Hans De Ruiter  responded to Fab asking the same question a few months back like this: the good thing about writing them for a family of similar cards (ATIR500/600/700) is that you don't have to do them over and over again from scratch. He will finish his R700 drivers, soon. Time doesn't go back, much work has been done, they will build upon it.

It's hard to point to it's being usable at this stage and even harder to make AROS look less usable.  Given it MIGHT be by the end of the year for retail machines to appear, that's a whole lot of time for both OSs to move forward.  And as I thought, OS4 does not have 2D or 3D drivers currently.  

Other then OS4, why would an Amiga person want a 1500+ GBP system when a eMac or Imica would do for a fraction of the price?  That's a massive price jump just to run OS4 and associated apps.

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2D/3D drivers for what? I take it you mean the R500+ ?

For any gfx card.

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I can only assume by "2D/3D" you mean "unified" drivers in which a single driver provides access to both 2D and 3D features of the display hardware. Otherwise your statement makes no sense.

Let me rephrase it then, "What specific gfx card(s) out there that has OS4 2D/3D driver(s) for it?"  I don't care who made it or what model, or interface.

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Spot the MorphOS fanboy.  MorphOS is not Amiga at all, nor is Aros and neither should claim to be. So your signature makes no sense and how can OS4 be considered redundant when the MorphOS community (or lack there of) is even more fragmented than the real deal.

If it does not run on my A500, it's not the real deal.

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Can I run OctaMED on AROS then?

Yes if the latest beta JanusUAE is installed.

[dammy]

So AROS has to run a UAE layer to make it work?  Doesn't sound very elegant to me.

Until you realize those games and apps that hit the hardware will run seamlessly in AROS that will not run on 68K emulators found in the PPC Amigaoid OSs.  Add in AROS supports multiple archs, makes it more significant.

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That the machine is actually something like an Amiga, and not just a bunch of off the shelf parts :madashell:

What's worse, a bunch of off the shelf parts or a bunch of off the shelf parts for a embedded CPU (aka SoC)?

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@dammy
If we look at how the HW world changed from 1980, I believe the X1000 is as "Amiga" as it gets from a HW standpoint.

With an embedded (SoC) CPU?  It's the anti-Amiga 1000 then.

Fabled chipsets are no more (even Commodore engineers and J.Miner himself suggested expandability without any chip sets) , replaced by what engineers do on GPUs today, moreover we are entering the era of heterogeneous computing and the X1000 lends itself well to this concept by allowing integer crounching power expansions via XMP and Floating Point expansions via GP-GPU (yes both not avaialble at this stage, but considering the actual software doesn't need much power it is only an option for the future).

Nemo is no off-the shelf mobo, it took a lot of effort to develop, you can read about it here (from page two).

As for the rest, yes, you get off the shelf components with some Amiga customization on them, which is a good move at this early stage.

But there is nothing on the A1X1K's mobo that someone else couldn't design and sell.  It's a collection of standard mobo parts for a SoC CPU.  So what hardware on the A1X1K has "amiga customization" on it, the ATI gfx card has some extra Amiga logic circuits on it?  how about the RAM, extra Amiga logic circuits or chaches?  How about the disk drives, special Amiga caches on them?  Adding decals or silk screening does not make them customized in my book, just rebadged.