ARM for the future?

[WolfToTheMoon]

Are you sure on this? Menuet/Kolibri run on a 386, but the site doesn't seem to say what kind of hardware those screencaps were from...

it sure does

Development computer:
- AMD Athlon 64 3000+ 2,0 Ghz
- Asus K8N
- 512 DDR DIMM
- Radeon 7000 32MB SDR AGP TV-OUT
- Logitech PS/2 keyboard Y-BF37
  - Logitech PS/2 mouse M-SBF96

http://www.menuetos.net/download.htm


and list of tested hardware

http://www.menuetos.net/hwc.txt

[WolfToTheMoon]

So why discount x86? The heart of which is a RISC core and has been since around the time of the Cyrix 5x86. As far as I'm aware all currently produced x86 and x86-64 processors take this approach.

I don't get this trashing of x86 that usually happens on amiga forums?

It's cheap, it's fast, it gets less and less power hungry with every new version. Yet, it's still heavily criticized by some amigans, as far as I see, mostly by no other reason other for not being PPC or 68K(that is, not powering any official amigaOS hardware).

[WolfToTheMoon]

Because the PowerPC was for the last 13 years, the technology that made our hobby - Amiga - interesting.

Amiga Os is a system which, due to Forbid/Permit, messages system, can not work effectively on more than one core.

Thats why, transfer of the operating system to x86, ARM or other crap will not bring major changes in performance.

Performance of one core, the fastest x86 is only 2.9 times better than the G4. x86 is not even three times faster,  only two of something.

We do not intend to sell 13 years of our history, for peanuts.

God forbid one should suggest to remedy some of those faults... :laughing:

[WolfToTheMoon]

Who's history?  AROS has been on x86 for what, 15 years now?  AROS is slowly coming to ARM and 68K as well as PPC.  Why aren't the other Amiga-like OSs been ported yet to other arches?

I wonder what repercussions will be felt after AROS68K is released in a stable version.

It is obvious most of the current Amiga users and devs are still on the 68K platform and most of the software is there also. AROS68K might just turn out to be far, far more serious competition to AOS4 and MOS then it's x86 version ever was, especially if Natami is released(and I figure, AROS68K will also mean more 68K hardware in the future).

[WolfToTheMoon]

I may be wrong, but I think that aros68k will also run on PPC machines, so maybe the OP was referring to this fact (ie, AROS will run on anything from classics to the X1000 to an I7).

AROS PPC runs on Sam440. AFAIK, AROS68K, like it name says, will only run on 68K machines.

[WolfToTheMoon]

I'm kind of curious about the opinions of those of you who see AROS68K as significant to legacy hardware.

It doesn't bring much to the legacy hardware, but it could bring new software, new features, add stability and possibly enable easier manufacturing of new 68K hardware.

The biggest significance of AROS 68K is that it could improve the experience of using classics and that is still the biggest "market" in the Amiga world. Most devs, most users. Simple as that.

AROS doesn't make much "sense" in the x86 or ARM world. It was fashioned over OS 3.1 and that makes it totally uncompetitive in that markets, except for the Amigans(most of which, again, own 68K machines). But on 68K it could become a new standard and like I said, it' where the biggest market is.

[WolfToTheMoon]

I'm curious about these markets you are refering to.

Well, it's simple... the biggest user group is still 68K, by far...

And as a PPC user I don't think I have a lot to worry about if you think  legacy hardware is going to become competitive with this OS. I'm not  sure the Natami will be truly competitive. Sure it would be nice to own  one, but I don't see it replacing a more modern computer.    

No, legacy hardware will not be comparable with AROS68K to PPC hardware. Only if Freescale decides to issue new 68K hardware, which is as possible as me winning lottery, or possibly new ColdFire hardware, which may be slightly more possible then me winning lottery(whihc, btw, I don't even play :lol:).

No, ti will not replace a modern computer, but, IMHO, the Amiga today(classics, PPC, x86) is a hobby, if passionate one, but not a replacement for a modern computer.