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Re: A4000D "Native" OS?
« on: July 15, 2007, 01:20:44 PM »
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I'd like something around 800X600 or 1024X768 for a variety of productivity reasons, and certainly 24bit support.


To use bonafide 24-bit modes in 1024x768 you are going to need a graphics card. The native hardware isn't really capable of anything beyond 8 bits per pixel*


*note that this doesn't restrict you to 256 colours, since HAM8 mode and clever modifications thereof can reproduce much greater apparent colour depth, but said modes aren't really useful beyond picture viewing applications and selected art packages.
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Re: A4000D "Native" OS?
« Reply #1 on: July 15, 2007, 01:43:06 PM »
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So how does it go up to 1280X400 without supporting anything "in between"?


Actually, there are plenty of modes you can dream up inbetween, depending on which one of your Devs/Monitors drivers you start with and how you choose to tweak your overscan settings. People have used tools like MonED to create drivers for 1024x768 (or close) but they tend to be for specific monitors and even then aren't guarenteed not to harm your monitor :-/

As for the strange resolutions like 1280x400, that's pretty normal for the amiga and goes back to the somewhat strange notion of having separate horizontal and vertical resolutions. Back in the OCS day, you had "lores" which was 320 pixels wide, "hires" which was 640 pixels wide. Either could be displayed as "normal" (200 lines for NTSC, 256 for PAL) or "laced" (400/512 lines, interlaced).

Normal "hires", with it's perculiar thin rectangular pixel aspect was generally used for the desktop, since interlaced modes generally caused peoples eyes to melt.

ECS added "super hires", which doubled the horizontal resolution again. In conjunction with interlace, it gives the same aspect ratio as normal hires but with four times the area visible.

Available graphics cards use chipsets that that have the more familiar square 4:3 aspect ratio.

The good news is that there are plenty of different graphics cards available for your 4000, from old Z2 cards (not recommended), Z3 capable cards (the Picasso IV, though old, is highly regarded) up to PCI cards with a suitable PCI board.

The bad news is that such solutions can end up costing a bit. The PIV is out of production so they tend to fetch pretty high prices on eBay. You can get compatible PCI cards for a lot less but then you have to get the PCI adapter itself and they can go for a bit.
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Re: A4000D "Native" OS?
« Reply #2 on: July 15, 2007, 02:02:00 PM »
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Mallette wrote:
Thanks, Karlos...another bit of education.  

I've enough to ask this:  So why no 640X400 non-interlace?  Seems this should be within the technology's capabilities.

Dave


It is. 640x400 non interlace is provided by the DblNTSC monitor driver introduced with OS 3.x / AGA.

Alas the DblNTSC / DblPAL modes are not quite VGA scan rate and so not all VGA monitors will display them.
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Re: A4000D "Native" OS?
« Reply #3 on: July 15, 2007, 02:10:10 PM »
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Mallette wrote:
I have seen Picasso 96 as software on the WinUAE software, but not looked at it...I assume it is a driver for graphics cards?


Pretty much. Picasso96 is a Retargettable Graphics (RTG) driver layer that supports many graphics cards, allowing OS friendly software to run on your graphics card.

Cybergraphics is another such system, albeit commercial.

Since both systems provide overlapping services, the question of which to choose depends on which hardware you go for (especially if you go for a PCI based solution), since neither supports the full range of PCI solutions available.

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So what is the best price/performance card that is reasonably available?

dave


I'd have to let an A4000 owner answer that one :-)
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