SAM 460 poor performance, high price

[DAX]

Sam460EX is a way to give new HW (instead of clunky old one) to the AmigaOS, Altivec isn't used in Amiga software at the moment (with the sole exeption of mplayer) so it's basically irrelevant.
What's more to like is the faster memory interface, and the chance of going beyond PCI or AGP old-coot GFX cards (and yes new 3D subsystem and drivers to support all this are coming).

The whole project is very cool for AmigaOS aficionados, if you prefer something else go buy it, nobody will stop you ;-)

Ah! And to those who believe they have a better idea, go do it, you will learn the difference between talking in forums and actually bringing a real product to market.
Then if it's truly better people will buy it, so more power to you ;-)

[DAX]

@Piru
I was referring to the hardships of creating and bringing to market an Hardware product made for a small niche.
Anyway I don't think that these initiatives (such as this thread) will bring more people to MOS, just annoy other members.

[DAX]

@zylesea
Blue: "name followers!!", Red:"za real thing" ........again?

Come on guys let's just cut the usual Red VS Blue childish discussions.

Mos is a good Amiga experience for those that like the Amiga spirit on any HW that also happen to be cheap and performing (and PPC based, which is a plus IMHO), others prefer the old paradigm of custom HW+AmigaOS and are willing to pay more for it.
No need to start the Nth thread about "Aoh! Come to me! I am better! Cheaper!" (and other crying forms).

[DAX]

@Piru

I've said it before and I say it again: It  makes no sense at all to try build niche HW like that. The potential  market is too small and the product price will be astronomical. Since it  is doubtful if the business is profitable it is also possible that the  company producing such HW disappears, along with the support/replacement  HW.

Going for the mainstream HW (such as Apple) makes much more sense.  Prices are lower and there are numerous companies offering hardware  repairs, support and parts. Just try to get a replacement parts for an  AmigaONE and you see the point.

Small projects can work: Such as an expansion for C64, or some expansion  HW for classic amiga. But 900 € project is way too expensive to work on  a niche field.                                                                                                                                                      

Who knows maybe you are right.
But some people think it's cool as they still like the "we have our own HW" feeling, and there is people willing to take the risk and actually do it.


I respect what you said (it makes sense on many extents), please respect the above described group too.

Mos is a cool alternative that needs not such apple to orange comparisons (different paradigms for differently minded folks) in order to deserve attention.
I believe these threads actually hurt its image when started by a developer.

[DAX]

You forgot the blue butterfly arguments that one, our OS runs better and two, not only is our hardware cheaper its also faster.

you forgot you don't have your own HW. Some Amigans just don't like it that way. Respect that.

As for "it runs better", I am glad there is fierce competition, it creates motivation

[DAX]

No longer in production HW and the knowledge that no HW will ever be made again count as having no future, HW wise.
Some care about it, some, like you, does not.

I respect your point of view, please respect those with opposite feelings.
These two way of thinking can happily co-exist. :knuddel:

[DAX]

@Piru
I can see you differ, but that has nothing to do with censorship.

I agree, those that chose MOS are practical although not too much otherwise they would stay away from ANY Amiga flavor :lol:

You see Windows7 is cost effective, and receives support for the most recent technology earlier than competition (see support for PCI-E HD, 256Bit vector units, both from Autodesk, or HW tessellation HW just to name a few) I wouldn't walk the "practical" road too much if I was selling an Amiga like OS.

"love" for it, is more like it...

[DAX]

I respect their opinion, but I don't understand their reasoning behind it. That HW has nothing to do with original Amiga anymore.

It's just something you run your OS and software on. As long as the HW is affordable, reliable and well built quality product what difference does it make who produced it, or which label does it have?

Reasoning's might change from people to people, yours above is a good one for many.
Other like the feeling of being as different as it gets, so that need is further satisfied if you develop HW and have your OS run on it.
Degustibus

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@Piru
There was no ill intention in that "like you" comment of mine, it was just for example sake, like "I care" "you don't" "he might", lazily worded (I should have included the other examples too to be more clear), I apologize for that.

[DAX]

@JJ
He probably meant that all Amiga like OS are not on par with the likes of Windows7 (ie:SMP, 64BIT memory in the Gigabytes, DX11 with tesselation support and an endless list of other features) but we still care.
Some search for a particular thing some for another (such as original HW+SW combo) and they see more value in a flavor or another.
Maybe we should respect each other a little more.
Yes Mos is more mature, yes AOS is evolving and offers the custom HW/OS thing some like very much.
Mos might get new HW in the future, as Piru said it's not out of the question, AOS might mature a lot with SMP, new 3D subsystem and so on.

Long live Amiga in all of its flavors

[DAX]

@cha05e90
Indeed, something most don't seem to get here is how even the most mature Amiga like OS is way behind the likes of Windows7 or SnowLeopard.
And since all of us have a second machine running one of those, going back to any Amiga flavor is done out of feel and pure love for that feel, certainly not because we realized any of the flavors delivers features and performance on par with our i7 modern gear.
Some like to support AmigaOS anticipating the day both OS and HW will somehow catch-up with modernity. Others see more potential in excellent MorphOS, yet some love to fuel the "war of the Poor" as I like to call it, with proclamations of omnipotence (in the Amiga realm) heavily disregarding the reality we live in (as in "end of January 2011, the year of SandyBridge").

So for these guys let me say it straight: if some have chosen a different flavor than yours, it's NOT because of features/price and performance (all in favor of WinTel) but because they prefer a different paradigm.
In my case I want AmigaOS on custom HW made for it, others are welcome in preferring something else.
So, keep supporting your favorite flavor, by doing this you'll make sure it will progress in the right direction, just please, stop the war of the poor, as  if it were for features, price and performance there would be no-one here  left to speak to, trust me on this one.

And yes, the visual guide Karlos linked (aptly named "The Troll Matrix"), is quite Spot on.

[DAX]

@jorkany
I wouldn't say Amiga was only good because it smoked anything out there, sometime a good combination of factors   might end up delivering a better (or rather "preferred") experience.

As a matter of fact the original Amiga never smoked other computers in terms of pure CPU power (heck on that regard even the AtariST was slightly superior) only did great at handling raster graphics, BUT more or less simultaneously with the A500 release, Sharp delivered the X68000 in Japan which as far as raster graphics went, could say a thing or two let me tell you (res up to 1024x1024, 31Khz ScreenModes, up to 65000colors and much more) lucky Commodore as they never released it outside Japan.

What I find truly unique is the Multitasking OS and the great software it inspired.

But alas those days are gone, and although we can no longer claim to be at the forefront, we can still operate a new computer the way we prefer and love, and contrary to our Japanese friends (X68000 users) we can still look forward to several "happenings" (460EX+X1000+AOS4.X, MOS and new supported HW, AROS, Natami, etc.) which is something special in its own right...