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Offline Heiroglyph

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Re: Excitement about NatAmi
« on: November 30, 2010, 12:15:55 AM »
I think Piru and myself are more accustomed to working in environments where there are deadlines and cost/benefit ratios.

Those devices on PCI vs. onboard wouldn't justify a redesign and massive delay in my working world.

A good shipping product is far better than perfect vaporware.  There is always a next version to add more features to if you handle the first one right.

Tinkering forever is exactly what seemed to have happened to the Boxer and gave the community nothing but dashed hopes, hence the analogy.

I've got nothing against Natami, I just hope they are professional enough to see the product through to completion rather than tinker for ten years with nothing to show for it. (closed source prototypes = nothing to show for it IMHO)
 

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Re: Excitement about NatAmi
« Reply #1 on: November 30, 2010, 01:54:36 AM »
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It's close source because it's going to be a commercial product.  I don't recall too many commercial companies just giving away all their technology.  


Are they commercial or is it a hobby?  It seems to take which ever form is the easiest for the current point.

I don't think this market is big enough for completely closed hardware.

The barriers to production are high enough to prevent large scale copying, there aren't enough players for it to matter.

The downside is that you get products like Prometheus that have died off and left us with bugs (dma) that could be fixed except for the fact that the source isn't available.

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I think we are lucky to see the development of the  C1+030 board to the LX+060 boards to the MX.

They've shown what they've shown to simply prove they are not vapor.


If they aren't for sale, then they are by definition vapor and no more than an interesting personal project.

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They have collected no money.  They owe no one anything.

When the product is done - judge it with your wallet.


I didn't say they were trying to rip us off.  I'll be glad to buy one if it's available.

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However, if you or anyone else is so inclined, perhaps I should to join the team and start printing T-shirts...  $50 each ofcourse! :D


If it was open source and money was needed, I'd be glad to help.

If it's commercial, then it's up to them to come up with capital, perhaps by selling an existing product to help fund further development.

That was my original point, offering constructive criticism in case they have no experience in managing a commercial project.
 

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Re: Excitement about NatAmi
« Reply #2 on: November 30, 2010, 04:19:42 AM »
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and just think... Jens was working on one of these FPGA projects too in his clone A... could it be that the 030 CPU cards, Indivisions, and such are all pieces of a greater puzzle...?


I think he said that the Indivision was a direct consequence of Clone-A development.

Like I was suggesting earlier, sell something that is currently working to fund further development.  The community gets great hardware and he makes money along the way.  We're even happily paying for the same R&D twice!

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Precursors to the holy grail of Amiga KIT... a cycle exact Amiga clone.

I hope so...


I think the Mini-Migs fill the cycle exact niche and real 68k or 020 Amigas are easy to find.

Someone needs to fill the 060 and higher market.

Hopefully Natami will get there.
 

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Re: Excitement about NatAmi
« Reply #3 on: November 30, 2010, 08:19:04 PM »
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Your perception is correct.  We intend to sell it and keep the source closed

Can I beg in advance that when you guys cease to sell/support the product and derivatives, you consider releasing the information?

At that point the info won't be harming your sales.

There are always people looking for CSPPC pinouts, PAL equations, wanting to patch drivers, etc.  It would be a very nice gesture and give Natami owners a much better experience long term.