MorphOS ahead of AROS?

[Digiman]

Indeed it is. Far less crashes, a much better method at backwards compatability, MUI just works, USB works (including writing to NTFS), the GUI (Ambient) is AMAZING!!!

I think the only thing AROS has that is fully worth mention is the 3DCard Support, but even most of the drivers have bugs and the screen flakes out.

But hey, AROS is free, if you are interested, download it, install it, and submit bug reports.

Aros runs on all x86 CPUs from Pentium 3 to i7 PCs but MOS will not run on a G5 Mac so if we compare progress of Aros Intel i7 vs Powermac G5 Mos config clearly the truth is Mos is still on a tiny scale compared to Aros's ambitious PC  configurations supported. When MOS is running on every Mac desktop and laptop from G3 to G5 and Intel x86 Macs let me know :roflmao:

For me the issue is the PPC requirement, Commodore never made a PPC Amiga, Native OS for PPC or even A4000 upgrade card so Mos + UAE running on smelly old 90s Macs from a dumpster is no more "Amiga" than Aros + WinUAE running on a brand new dodgy brand of PC.

Mos is a hobby OS which costs more than Win7 and needs the inferior [to WinUAE] UAE emulator to run 90% of Amiga software.

Each to their own, but OS4/Mos are a waste of money IMO (just like Clownto's Amiga [shaft you] Forever is)

[Digiman]

And for that you must have a love for Windows...

...which again it is that lack of that love that many of us chose Amiga over Windows and Mac OS so many years ago.

Mind you, I do have a Windows machine for Video/Audio Editing, and Gaming, but I don't use WinUAE except as a means to read and write to my Amiga Hard Drives (SD/CF cards). It just feels wrong to use it for anything else when my machines are perfectly capable of playing all the games and running all the apps on their own, but alas, to each their own. Glad you are enjoying your self....

TRAITOR!!! He he he.

Most people who are content with Windows + WinUAE do so for 2 reasons....

Cost/mhz of a Wintel/AMD box and Windows does more [badly] than any other OS.
Not really any exclusive Amiga PPC software worth getting a useless PPC Apple doorstop for so WinUAE covers our needs.

All that has happened is we have realized ALL OSs today are $hit ESPECIALLY pathetic style over substance Apple computers, computing will never be as awesome as the pioneering 80s and the last Amiga computer designed was the A1200

Don't really care what brand my socket set is, only care they undo bolts. Computer is just a tool for us now.

(IMO)

[Digiman]

Oh, to close this whole argument, "Is MorphOS ahead of AROS?".

MorphOS current revision 2.7.

Aros? It hasn't reached revision 1.0 yet.

Ahead? Yes, obviously.
Why does this matter?
Who brings up these silly decisive topics?

And Apple G5 version of MorphOS release is at 0.000001 so yes it is a stupid attitude as without G5 or x86 Mac support MorphOS is a toy/nostalgic antique OS.

[Digiman]

Except for the fact that we've got the best browser, OS4 has a decent word processor (Cinnamon Writer), and AROS?
Oh yeah, it crashes.

And as I just upgraded to a dual 1.42 GHz G4 with a Radeon 9800XT video card, I don't have the most up to date system, but its quite functional.

A "toy" would be something that only looks like what it is, so...

This thread will always be subjective hence the IMO. As long as you're happy it's cool.

AFAIC neither AROS/MOS/OS4 can replace my Win XP boxes personally and all 3 need a software emulator to run Dpaint 3 or 5 IIRC so personally it's no different. Why would I stop using WinUAE,Chrome browser or Zoom player (media player) for MOS alternatives after purchasing their draconian restrictions of a licensed OS? Aros is free AND not locked to one computer unlike MOS (which is why for me it's not worth the money) but you can't bitch about FREE Aros in comparison. The whole topic is like saying my 1.2L Yugo is better than your 950cc Yugo as far as MOS vs AROS. Amiga was the Ferrari of the 80s computer world! And whilst I have no affection for Win or OSX systems they are my only sane choices for running my business or home cinema setup.

This post will make me unpopular for sure. :lol:

[Digiman]

Hi,

@digiman,

You made some good points here. Those old rotten apple cores sure do smell, and  your right the MorphOS is no more Amiga than a Mac is Amiga or a PC is an Amiga. The only thing I can say though is that Cloanto's Amiga forever (which is no more Amiga than a PC computer) emulates the Amiga pretty accurate today. I use it all the time when I want to use Amiga programs. This saves wear and tear on my Amiga's.

I just like all these people who sing the praises of MorphOS and AROS and make fun of what CUSA is doing (which I don't like either, but believe it or not their name is showing up in PC type mags for what they are doing and PC people are liking it, can you say that about the other two contenders?) but CUSA is getting all the attention by other people, while real Amiga people are still living with and clammering about OLD PPC's.

OK, lets get something straight, I am a real Amiga person, I use my Amiga's everyday and use them. I am not a fake Amiga person who sold their old silicon and then chime in that I use "MorphOS Amiga done right" right where, how and why, prove it. Run Pen Pal, Wadsworth, Final Copy, DPaint, etc. Show me a new browser that can keep up with todays sites so you can surf the web, play mp3's, watch videos and play movies. I have a hard time loading up MorphOS (I don't and won't buy old used up Mac silicon, for that matter I won't buy new Mac silicon)

I am an Amiga person, if I wanted a Mac, I would be using a Mac. If I wanted a PC, I am using a PC, why, because PC's have the best games right now, the best graphics, the fastest processors and GPU's.

So who cares if MorphOS leads AROS, do they really, lets talk 5 years up the road, when the G4 Mac silicon starts to disappear. Pfffffft!!!!

At least AROS who is behind right now has the chance to continue on, why because they see some of the future, NEW USABLE CPU'S AND GRAPHICS PROCESSOR UNITS, the PPC boys are still living in the past, just like me using the old Amiga.

Seems like a lot of brains and programming power going to waste, being used for a losing cause.

smerf

MorphOS leads today, how about the future.

Some of this is covered in my post above so won't repeat that.

However just because as an Amiga user I didn't buy PC in the 80s/90s doesn't mean I will buy Apple products ever in my life now Commodore is dead. I agree there. PC improved massively since 80386 and DOS/WIN 3.1 (OS AND hardware) but Apple STILL supplies one mouse button and think this is a good design idea :roflmao:

Secondly MOS and Hyperion are wasting time true, they are stupid not to be working on x86 conversion. PPC is very expensive per mhz and a dead product line. Like you say only Aros has longterm future.

As for C= USA, I can see why people would use C64X + Competition Pro USB joystick + Win XP + WinVICE for a half the current asking price ($500 max!) because it does look like a C64. The Amiga Mini doesn't even look like any Amiga Commodore ever sold and has lame graphics on compromised Mini ITX motherboard. A real turd, Mini ITX has terrible bus performance whether you use i7 or not and will be as fast as a $300 i5 at best. And it runs Linux so that's $100 extra for Windows compared to buying a regular PC so only a $199 worth of PC. What an absolute clusterfook of a joke machine!

Amiga forever doesn't do anything a free download of WinUAE does IMO and as I own 7 Amigas from KS1.1 to CD32 Kickstart the only illegal KS ROM I could potentially download is a CDTV Kickstart so no need to waste my money on their "legal emulation" scam. People use it to illegally play pirated Amiga game ADFs so pretty much a joke product.

[Digiman]

I suppose MorphOS could quite "easily" (relatively speaking) be made running on every mac desktop and laptop from G3 to G5 by lowering its standards by running hosted, on top of a complete alien OS like Yellow Dog Linux that provides all the true low-level "OS stuff", but so far the ambition behind MorphOS has been a lot higher than simply providing some Amiga environment with a GUI on top of Linux, the ambition has always been to make a complete OS, from the ground up. One of the most important functions of an OS is to provide low level support for the hardware, and MorphOS does this in an extremely lean and effective way, from the top of the API and all the way down to the silicon.

AROS doesn't need Linux, that's a user choice.

I question the sanity of a company that STILL has no G5 version of MOS. The last hope for MOS is to get G5 distro delivered ASAP and stop messing about with limp Mac Minis.

OS4 + X1000 was their only competition, and G5 Mac the only uncompromised PPC OSX machine (so you don't waste money and can still use the G5 Mac you bought even if you hated MOS). Clearly they have a technical barrier because only crazy people would miss such a business opportunity!

With no G5 version and no x86 migration plan MOS is third in the group IMO, at least OS4 for G5 exists and Aros has plentiful x86 hardware new and used available FOREVER.

[Digiman]

Yeahsurewhateveryousay.....

Magic Mouse has 1 physical button, so much is true, but whit the help of it touch surface it can simulate pretty much as many as you like.

Even if paired with a MorphOS-computer it will come out as 2 button (without any drivers on the MorphOS-side).

In 1984 Mac had one mouse button. Today the Macbook Pro has one mouse button so WTF do laptop users do. There is my point, style over substance crap for 3 decades rather than admit they NEED two buttoned mouse. In true Apple mentality they produce something less useful than a 1990 Naksha mouse for Amiga.

And don't get me started on that iMac slimline keyboard B0LL0X, my Inspiron 9400 laptop has a better Keyboard, desktop computer + crap externally cased laptop keyboard! lol

[Digiman]

OS4 for G5 exist

Assuming you mean that A1X1K thingie .... much closer to a modest G4 than any G5 in terms of performance.

MorphOS-team at one point decided that it's more important to support decent laptops (PowerBooks) than hunting down more power only sensible for apps we don't have.

Sure I can run AROS from 20-core-AMD-you-don't-need-no-heating-anymore down to some obscure ARM-SOC (but I have to be ultracarefull to choose the right HW when I don't want to go hosted), but what than
Run those same old 3D-demos at 400fps ?? Or maybe that minimalistic OWB-version (as long as Wanderer doesn't crash on me) ?

All 3 flavours allready have enough HW to run on, whats missing is the SW to make the systems really useable and in the field I see MorphOS clearly ahead (to some great extent due to Fab's OWB).

And 1080p MKV or HD Flash/Youtube or Blu-Ray playback? 1 core of a 2.8ghz  i7 can do this but G4 can not for sure. Like I said PPC iMO is 90s CPU design so OS4/MOS are stuck unless an IBM Xenon PPC motherboard and AOS/MOS version comes out. Aros only needs a VLC software port, the hardware is there, massive difference.

There is no right or wrong just giving you my reasoning. I respect everyone's opinion I just can't share it as far as overpriced Apple or PPC OS4 hardware dies in the face of cheap and powerful i7/AMD CPUd PCs which Aros is closer to supporting it.

Perhaps MOS and OS4 should be modified for Windows/Intel OSX PearPC? Don't know. But the G4 dependence artificially dates MOS/OS4.

Will we never have a need for more than G4 speeds? Unlikely. Will HD Youtube capable browser exist for Aros/MOS/OS4 or something like VLC? Eventually. Will things like 1080p video make an OS more appealing? Definitely. Can even G5 deliver this power? Unlikely.

[Digiman]

@Digiman

Have you actually ever used a MacBook ??

You know that those trackpads are multitouch and OSX regognises "gestures" ?

Sure it's not the same as a trackpad with 3 buttons + dedicated scrolling area, no it's much better !

Heck I find the relative primitive 2 touch touchpad of my PBs much more intuive/useable than any touchpad I've come across on Wintel-laptops.

Example of daily use:Right click.....extract all. 1 second operation.  Multitouch on screen for tablets OK but on a little trackpad for Powerbook/Macbook with 1 kindrgarden size single button? no thanks. A good OS design uses 2 mouse buttons, not 1 not 3...just 2. Mouse buttons do not need to be 2 inches wide on a notebook unless a baby or the worlds fatest man is using it surely

And try using those"gestures" on the train in rush hour.

The myth that Apple always make the "best" laptops is wrong. I have sold 1000s of laptops since 2001, I know what the best were/are even removing the OSX vs Windows OS argument because I used them all. Their desktop machines are just ornaments/pieces of aesthetic design, not very cost effective and no more pleasurable in use than a quality built branded Wintel.

There has only been one laptop model that was clearly superior to others by Wintel groups, not great covering 2 decades.

(Windows isn't great before you wonder, just overall OSX is no better, just different IMO)

[Digiman]

I agreed with you up to that point I've highlighted.
"OS4 for G5 exists", Huh?

But you're right MorphOS for the G5 is a natural progression.
I've made plans to get one even if its never announced.

The ridiculously expensive AmigaOne X1000, with G5 class CPU and being sold with OS4.

[Digiman]

even for torrents many ps3 users use vlc to transcode the video and stream it to thier ps3's instead of filling up the hard drive.   You know the ps3 you might have heard of it?   there's 1 or 2 people who own one.  Just because you are to simple to do it doesn't mean it's not a popular feature.

Hmmm no. People like Bricktop and PS3team etc on tpb regularly do PS3 and 360 friendly 4.37gb "burn n go" BDRIPS on various sites, which you just pop in the DVD/BD drive and enjoy the film

I doubt less than 1% of PS3 owners do it the VLC way.

As for controls many are required, I use Zoom player because it has far more useful "extras" like per pixel H or V zoom/adjustment, and then there are the exhaustive FFDshow 7.1 audio controls. VLC is more king in the Linux world or for people who haven't installed codec pack. I only use it to play broken files or test to make sure I don't have a codec problem for zplayer and it is actually media file problem. Don't even use it to play Amiga mods. The full screen interface is annoying!

[Digiman]

I can not believe you guys are still going on about this!

Especially as he is the only person not using flash memory or DVDr to play the films like everyone else does :lol:

[Digiman]

Just curious. Are you an X86 fan (1978's design), a 680x0 fan (1979's design) or an ARM fan (1983's design) or what?

I don't claim that X86 (or ARM) didn't have many advantages over PPC, but surely "recentness of the design they are based on" isn't among them :hammer:

:hammer: is exactly what the i7 does even to IBM's Xenon PPC derived CPU, the fastest possible remotely PPC derived CPU suitable for hosting an OS.

The first Intel CPU I had any respect for was Centrino Pentium M, Arm was similar to 2:1 advantage per mhz of 68030 in 1987, actually 030 was pretty lame 25mhz 020 and 030 give same MIPS more or less. Point is not only does the i7 wipe the floor with even Xenon let alone G5/G4 but most expensive i7 is cheaper too than the cheapest G4 based SAM board.

Framerates on my games/movies and speed of encoding my own videos are what concern me not emotionally attached to the OS/brand of manufacturer. I hate Windows/Linux AND OOS X equally. I use the most competitively priced hardware with the OS with largest library of apps available.I7 WINTEL. Not the same as when I loved using my Amiga 1000.

Arm is low power netbook/tablet level CPU so why waste money porting OS4 to something that computationally restricts performance. If that's your cup of tea then use AMD Zacate CPU. I suspect you are someone who can't separate x86 (ic 64bit) and Microsoft Windows computer. Same top end CPU and GPU are found in Macs too

It's all about being the fastest and still cheapest price per MIP etc.

[Digiman]

I bet I never spent a penny more on my TWO Athlon64 3800+ PC systems than anyone's MOS Mac purchase They were getting tossed out. I have ended up with 6 PCs now and all can run Vista/7 very well if I make them 2gb RAM.

I agree if all you want to do is run MS Office/surf/email/mp3/non HD AVI a 1.2ghz P3 laptop level power with even 256mb and XP SP2 is enough. Trouble is for such slow hardware nobody would buy new unless as a tablet/netbook. Even 7cm x 7cm Micro ATX/Mini ITX home theatre PC builds with i3 2100k can do 1080p 5.1DTS Blu-ray decoding....and i3 is the slowest x86 from Intel (AMD E-450 18w low power APU may be faster)