AmigaUpdate, Objectivity Lost.

[AmigaHeretic]

"AmigaUpdate, Objectivity Lost."

Seems like a personal opinion to me.

I feel like if I were to post an 'announcement' like this on something I read somewhere it would quickly be removed from the front page and someone would say that it should go in "Forums" section of this site.

Anyone else feel like they could get away with this here?

AmigaGuy

[AmigaHeretic]

I hope you're kidding me?

"the author also wrote that they provided the PPC card for OS4."  So that is proof they have lost objectivity?

So it's a fact to say, "Targhan has lost objectivity" because you WORK for Genesi which in my "announcement" err opinion is a little more likely to show objectivity has been lost then to loan a PPC board for an Amiga show.

AmigaGuy

[AmigaHeretic]

First of all, I don't think he said that MorphOS didn't have a right to exist.  I think what he was saying was that in his "opinion" MorphOS shouldn't be displayed at an Amiga show as you quoted him saying yourself.

Personally I don't agree with that.  But I really don't think he was saying "Morph OS shouldn't exist" like you're claiming.

Second, you're the one labeling people as "Fan Boy" because they support a platform that is not MorphOS.  Combine that with the fact that you work for Genesi and to me that looks like "more substantial proof" that you've more likely lost your objectivity then him.

AmigaGuy

[AmigaHeretic]

@Seehund

I totally agree with you.

If MorphOS or AmigaOS are ever really going to prosper then they need to go x86.   I'm not saying they should leave PPC all together, but if you want to sell more then a few thousand copies of your OS then you need to look at targeting the 100s of millions of computers out there and there all x86.

I can understand why Genesi wants PPC.  They make hardware and probably couldn't compete if they were making just another x86 board.  I understand that, but I just don't see how MorphOS will ever sell more than a few thousands copies.

As for AmigaInc? I have no idea why they are going the PPC route.  People seem to think AmigaOS couldn't compete in the x86 market?  WTF??  If you can't get people to buy AmigaOS for say $99 bucks to run on their current computer then HOW IN THE HELL do you think you can get them to pay $99 for Amiga OS and $1000 + for a 'special' computer to run it on?

People might fork out $99 to buy AmigaOS or MorphOS, but no one other than a few old and a few thousand of the current Amiga die hards are going to buy a "Special" computer to run it on.  No Chance!

AmigaGuy

**Special Computer:  This is what the millions of Windows user would consider the PEG or A1 boards.  Just some sort expensive hardware that won't also run their Windows OS.

[AmigaHeretic]

@Targhan

I feel it is in it's appropriate section now in the new Editorial area that has been made.   :-D  

I know you never said it was I who attacked MorphOS's existance I just wanted you to know that I feel "it is" appropriate for MorphOS to be at Amiga shows and that wasn't the reason I felt that this didn't belong in the announcment section.

I think it will be great when AmigaOS is out and both MorphOS and AOS are at the same shows.  Then people will be finally be able to compare the two and make a decision on which they prefer.  :-D

I just want the one that seems the most Amiga like to me, stable, has good apps, and is price competitive.  If it happens to have the Amiga label with it great, if it's got some other label on it then that's great too!

AmigaGuy

[AmigaHeretic]

@downix

A failed route?  I don't understand?  Millions of x86 computers sell every month (day?).   How many Peg or A1 machines sell a month?

X86 isn't going anywhere for long time.

"PPC is cheaper than x86, and the new 970 is faster than x86 too"

That is a pretty bold statement and I'd like to know why you believe that PPC is cheaper.  I have never seen a PPC computer that is close the price/power of an x86 machine.  Certainly not the Peg or A1 boards.

2 days ago I built a computer for a friend and we got an Athlon 1800+ cpu (in box w/ fan) an ATX MB with 6 USB2 ports, ethernet, AC97 sound, agp 8x slot, 5 pci slots, DDR slots, ATA 133, and all the other standard stuff for $59.00 US.  

PPC may be technologically better, but that won't help you sell an OS to more then just a few tech heads.

AmigaGuy

[AmigaHeretic]

@downix

1. http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,111607,00.asp  
According to this article in the second quarter of this year 33.2 million computers were sold, up 4.1%.  That amounts to well over 11 million a month.  I'm guessing a majority of those are x86.  

If x86 sales did slow down at all it was probably because almost everyone ownes one already.  Hence millions of possible x86OS4/ x86MorphOS sales.

2. $8 a chip at what speed?  In what quantity?  I'd like a link.  How much is the motherboard it goes on and why are Genesi charging so much then?

3. x86 Handheld  You can run your choice of Windows XP, 2000, ME,98, Linux or UNIX on it.

My whole point is that you can not buy a PPC computer for what you can buy an x86 machine for at near the same performance.  If you have a link to such a machine please post it.  My other point is that even if there were a PPC computer at the same Price/Performance it wouldn't matter as there are already MILLIONS and MILLIONS of x86 owners out there.  NONE of these people would have to spend a dime on hardware to run OS4/MorphOS.  

Just getting them to consider MorphOS/AOS is a challenge.  Telling them they have to buy a new computer (even if it is comparable in price/features of an x86 system) would be near impossible.

If you want to make money, money you can use to continue to advance AmigaOS/MorphOS to a point where it can compete for house hold OS dominance, then you are going to have to sell a few million copies.  Selling just a few thousand copies for the PEG or A1 will hardly recope the cost of the initial developement.  

AmigaGuy

-edit- There are $10 x86 cpu's.  That's the deal we got.  You did have to buy the motherboard ($49.99) and then you got the Athlon 1800+ for $10.

[AmigaHeretic]

WTF??  Who's in charge here??

I want to speak to the management!!  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

[AmigaHeretic]

@wayne

Forget all the moral high ground crap.  Dave was wrong to post this as an announcement and he realized that and he took corrective action, Webb made a bad decision to write what he did and as far as I know has not taken any corrective action.  In my oppinion that makes Dave the bigger better PERSON for realizing his mistake and changing things!

Now you make him change it back?

More to the point of just plain common news reporting sense.

I can see how "AmigaUpdate is now Available" can be an announcment, but for the life of me I can not understand how one person's view on ANY subject can fairly be considered an announcement on the front of this site.

Isn't this what the Forums are for? To talk about your opinions on things? Isn't this why you can post a Comment about the news articles?

So if a new version of WinUAE comes out can people just start posting Annoucements about what they think of the latest release? Don't you think the front page would get really cluttered?

AmigaGuy

[AmigaHeretic]

@wayne

"@amigaguy,

Sigh.... Some of you just can't understand tact, can you?"

First of all I don't appreciate the personal attack.  I don't feel like I was attacking anyone.  I just feel like the community brought something to the webmaster's attention and he aggreed to change it.  

Dave realized this shouldn't have been posted as an announcement, but as something else.

If there are technical problems and you had to move it back to an "Announcement" I think a Disclamer should have been added on the main page for this item explaining something like "this is not meant to be an announcment, but do to technical problems this is where it remains."

Just as an FYI a Genesi employee just coming in and changing things around after the Webmaster and community have aggreed to something makes it look like some Objectivity is being Lost.

I see you have now changed it to Misc.  

AmigaGuy

[AmigaHeretic]

Amiga user: "Hey, would you like to switch to the Amiga platform?"

New user: "Huh? Are they still being sold? Wha?"

Amiga user: "Well no, but you can join amiga.org and rant about irrelevant stuff for hours. We also like to walk out into a field, open our mouthes, and hope pie flies into them!"

New user (nervously): "Err, are you OK man?"

Amiga user: "It's a simple question man! Do you want to join my cult and wait for pie?"

New user: "Uuuuh, could you hold for a second?" (runs away)

Ranting about irrelevant stuff for hours would at least give them a chance to test out the latest version of MorphOS and see how well IBrowse runs on it while they post comments  :-D  :-D