Amiga Case Designer Faces Intimidation

[takemehomegrandma]

@Darrin and the confused BAF's

Here's some pics I managed to snag.  None of them say "Amiga" (There is AmigaOS which is Hyperion's and "Amica"):

Some of you guys are really incredible, do you know that?

First you think it's *morally OK* for Hyperion to intimidate Commodore USA for planning to ship AROS installed on their computers, since it would be an infringement to Hyperion's exclusive license from Amiga to ship Amiga OS 3.1 API based OS's under the "AmigaOS" brand?

But then you think it's *not* morally OK for Commodore USA for doing exactly the same thing to anyone infringing on *their* exclusive license from Amiga to ship "All In One" keyboard computers under the Amiga brand?

:confused:

Hyperion doesn't own the Amiga brand, Hyperion doesn't own the Amiga OS (merely the OS4 add-on's), it's all licensed in *exactly the same way* as Commodore has a valid license agreement with Amiga! You guys has really lost your moral compass somewhere going astray in the land of Hypocrisy.

And looking at those pictures, My God, are you for real? Do you *really* think this is OK? You don't think this is like selling "Addidas" shoes (an extra "d" after the "a"), or Nike shirts with the Nike logo mirrored? You really endorse trademark infringement and piracy this way? You are even using the similar typeface, and the meaning of the word is the same! So Commodore USA selling Amigas with "Amica OS" (AROS) would be OK?

And the marketing has obviously already begun, on more than one Internet site...

:rolleyes:

[takemehomegrandma]

Who was saying that? Nobody that I noticed.

Oh, go back and look for yourself, especially on AmigaWorld.net; *Many* people were utterly terrified of even the thought of someone else than Hyperion selling an Amiga like OS coupled with an Amiga branded computer, and expressed relief and appreciation when they learned of Hyperion's actions to prevent this. Several of those people are here now in this thread, equally upset when Commodore USA tries to protect their license in exactly the same way as Hyperion did, to such a degree that they launch, build up, and carefully maintain a 16 page/233+ posts *hate thread* because of this! It's easy to spot who they are! Double standards in the land of Hypocrisy! It's not even a real issue, nothing has been sold for real, and no law suit has taken place. Geez... :rolleyes:

Is drawing a Commodore logo on an Etch-a-Sketch trademark infringement? Is doodling it in sidewalk chalk trademark infringement?

If you use pictures of this to showcase/market your product, then Yes Absolutely, in exactly the same way it would be an infringement if you used images of a sidewalk chalk drawing that pictures a Nike logotype to market clothes or shoes!

People don't like companies that step on the small people.

So if I come up with the bright idea of producing a refreshing Cola Beverage called "Coca Coola" (an extra "o") and mimic the Coca Cola red/white logotype in my presentation/marketing of this, I would have the right to do so as long as I'm a "small people"? That's utter *bullsh!t*, laws apply to everyone, big as small! If I had done that, I would have deserved every *friendly(!!) letter*, asking me refrain from doing this, that I would get! Is this *really* so difficult to understand?

But TheDaddy isn't selling a computer, he's selling a case. An unbranded case. He's made it quite clear that what stickers you put on it are up to the buyer.

If I as a new "Coca Coola" producer would use suggestive pictures of my "Coca Coola" logotyped product to spread the news about it to the world prior to putting it up for sale, building up interest thanks to this, only to then say "I won't ship those labels myself, it's up to the users to put those on themselves", do you *really* think this is OK?

I'm simply baffled by the double standards you people are showing here.

[takemehomegrandma]

My guess is TheDaddy has a much better chance of a return on his investment than the CUSA clownshow.

Oh really? Well, you are *obviously* right; "TheDaddy" has spent, was it seven years? to craft himself some kind of case out of bent sheet metal. I'm sure he had fun doing it, but that's all there is to it! And look at what Commodore did during just the last few years, you may not like them, but you are a *fool* if you try to deny them the fact that they *did* get the rights to use the Commodore brand, they *did* get the rights to use the Amiga brand. They *did* put the C64x to the market! They have shown they have the financial means, the corporate infrastructure, the marketing, the knowledge, they have *the lot* to get uniquely designed, real, tangible, manufactured and branded products out of the door! What has "TheDaddy" shown? Well, that he has access to sheet metal, a jig saw, paint, seven years, and some dream of selling something using the Amiga brand without having the rights to do so. I don't know what it's worth, but I don't see him listed as partner on Disneys Tron webpage? Maybe you have some kind of inability to spot all these differencies, but I don't. So I definitely have a different view on which of those two "clown shows" that has the better chance of a return on investments, and it *won't* be the clown show creating endless threads like this, using his "case" as ammo in their *spamming* of Amiga boards with *Endless Commodore Hatred*! That simply won't bring *anything* positive in return, nothing at all!

This whole thread (and all the other CUSA Hate Threads as well) is just SPAM!

:mad:

[takemehomegrandma]

We should not start a "Hyperion bashing" here.

No, let's bash Commodore USA in a 16 page long hate thread for doing exactly the same thing!

CUSA should have managed it better more discretely to avoid a thread like this.

Well, how about writing a friendly message where they are expressing their concerns of a potential problem, and asking the receiver not to infringe on their license?

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[takemehomegrandma]

Well I see TMHG has been bought and paid for.

I'm completely indifferent to Commodore USA, none of their products, none of their trademarks means anything at all to me! I couldn't care *less* about them, that's why I never participate (on any side) in your endless hate campaign threads about them!

But I'm *allergic* to Hypocrisy and Double Standards, and I have a limit on how much spam I can take, and You Darrin, is probably the biggest Hypocrite and CUSA spammer this site has seen in a very long time, with an endless hunger for creating more CUSA spam! Most people feel kind of fed up with all this CUSA drivel, and since it is *YOU* are starting, building up, and maintaining most of these threads that constantly seems to be on the front page, I must ask the question who is paying *you*? Hyperion? One thing is for sure, you are *far* from "indifferent" in this matter, you are clearly on a quest, but it's a shame you had to drag "TheDaddy" down in your muddy waters by trying to make some kind of case (pun intended) out of it, that simply wasn't there in the first place!

Can't you *pleeeaase* run off and create some "I-Hate-CUSA.com" forum, and spare us on the Amiga boards from your pointless, *endless* CUSA spam?

[takemehomegrandma]

No, that did happen.  It just wasn't particularly impressive for the amount of noise that was made.

The noisemakers (read: *SPAMMERS*) comes down to some 5 people, and CUSA aren't one of them.

I already wrote they could have send him a message or email with the same content and when he not reacts they would have had every right to make it public.

Nothing, N-O-T-H-I-N-G in those two sentences "An image has been presented to me of this unit featuring AMIGA branding. This is a friendly request to remove that from your advertising" warranted yet another (now 17 pages, and obviously still growing) hate thread, with "Amiga Case Designer Faces Intimidation" war headlines! There was never any issue, it's all Darrin's work!

That would have avoided the public bashing...

No it wouldn't, that's my point! There will be CUSA spamming as long as Darrin and his kind is posting here! :rolleyes:

I am a little astonished about what you write. I have every respect for any person who invests his/her time (and money) for a project to bring sth. usefully and wanted to the community.

But come on. I don't want to belittle his little case/mod, but what's so frekkin' astonishing about it? Who hasn't done anything like that? I have made a few cases myself in various materials, not always good (made one in wood that actually was kind of nice), but I'm not going on about it for *years*, creating thread after thread about it, making polls about "what should it be called", etc! It's not a product, it has been a 7 year hobby for him, but it's *not* a concern of a whole community! We have spent weeks discussing its name. We have spent weeks discussing its color and surface finish. And now it seems we will spend weeks discussing where he should put his LED holes. Gaah! And now it's purpose seem to be ammo in some people's pointless CUSA war... :rolleyes:

CUSA has invested to gather the license that is OK. But that is not a "big effort" in my view.

Hehe, where were you during the last decade, when countless of efforts of getting a proper Amiga license failed one after another, and where people could only dream about the Commodore brand? I'd say that bringing those two together is a little bit more than "OK" and a small effort. Many failed.

But as I said, I couldn't care less about any of those brands. But that doesn't mean I think it's OK to belittle this, *especially* not in the same sentence where you praise "TheDaddy's" case as being the next big thing for the Amiga community!

They assemble standard pcs, that does every small computer-company here (nothing special).

Now that's interesting. *Exactly what* is "standard" about the C64x case? It's a really unique thing, properly designed and manufactured, coudln't be more custom made, and not anywhere near something made from bent sheet metal. And making a design isn't the same thing as putting something to the market. A huge amount of resources is needed, so is good management, marketing, etc.

[takemehomegrandma]

You have a nerve.  Never mind, I don't expect rational posts from you.  You're just trolling for effect, as usual.

Oh, these 17 pages isn't me "trolling", it's the result of YOU CUSA-SPAMMING! *YOU* are the troll here, *YOU* are trying desperately to yet again create a problem where there is none, as most people would see, if they only would care enough to wade through 17 pages of your pointless bickering, which I'm sure not many does...

:mad:

[takemehomegrandma]

Take a look down at your keyboard.  See how the keys are looking all shiny and worn?  That's a sign you may have tl;dritis.  It is not known yet whether or not this disease is terminal, but a new keyboard can help mask the symptoms.

If you think a post is too long, then don't read it. If the subject doesn't interest you, don't read it. If you don't agree with something, either reply, or let it pass. I'm not saying you shouldn't be able to discuss things on a freakin' discussion board, it's just that it's getting a bit too much when the people complaining the most about CUSA-threads are the ones who constantly fires them up, and when some people applauds a certain kind of behavior when it comes from Hyperion but feels the need to start WW3 when someone else does exactly the same thing, and when people thinks it's OK (or a good thing even) when some parties infringes on trademarks all they want, but can't stand it when someone else has paid for a *valid license* to actually use it in the *legal* way that the others can't. Spamming. Double standards. Hypocrisy.

But I can see where this is going now, I see it in your quoted post here already; soon everything will be *my* fault, *I* am the one "trolling", etc, as usual...

:rolleyes:

[takemehomegrandma]

It's about Darrin's vendetta against C=USA. Pure and simple and there is no other reason to start this thread on AO, other then to troll.

I think this is totally clear to everyone with even the slightest hint of a brain inside their cranium...

[takemehomegrandma]

I think you'll find it was started by Leo's actions and 99.9% of of C-USA's bad PR comes down to you and Barry.

It was two short sentences, in a friendly tone, asking "TheDaddy" to not market his "product" using CUSA's licensed trade mark. Nothing more, nothing less. There never was any real problem. All this crap comes from *YOU* Darrin, *YOU* and nobody else!

:mad:

[takemehomegrandma]

It is, that's why we're laughing at you.

You are a fool to even try to deny something that's completely open and in the clear for *everyone* to see, and something that you even put there yourself!

[takemehomegrandma]

They knew I was NEVER going to do that

Here is the thing: You *were doing it*! Maybe you weren't really aware of it yourself (so maybe it wasn't intentional), and maybe it's not entirely correct to speak about "marketing" when it comes to a *none-product*, but you *did* post infringing photos in your attempt to spread information (read: market) your "thing", there *was* a valid call for that notice, and you did deserve *every little bit* of those two polite one-liners you got in a forum! :lol:

This fuss you created out of it is totally out of line though!

I am *evidently* not the only one tired of this endless, cross board CUSA spamming!

[takemehomegrandma]

He doesn't fail to see it.  He's trolling.  He loves to start rubbish and obviously this thread gives him a chance.  Same old TMHG.  Just humour him and don't take the bait.  

How anyone could be mad enough to appoint you as a *moderator* on *any* board (yes, even AmigaWorld.net) is a great mystery...

:confused:

[takemehomegrandma]

No, for him to post it on the forums was payback, else he would have done it via email/pm for anyone else violating the IP.

:roflmao:

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Yeah, or come with a formal threat of law-suit (I can imagine the letter that Hyperion sent to Commodore), or maybe even filing a law-suit for real! But making a polite request in a web forum, that is just sheer evil, payback from the dark forces, etc to stop "the good ones".

:insane:

[takemehomegrandma]

It was a petty way of requesting TheDaddy not to use the Amiga trademark and we shouldn't be advocating or defending pettiness by anyone in the community.

Yes, a better and kinder way would obviously be to send the pitbull lawyers without prior warning, and let them have their go. People wouldn't complain on forums if *that* happened!

:lol: