CommodoreUSA site updated

[takemehomegrandma]

Is this company trying to sell the artwork to members of the public?

Yes, he has ignored people who did not own the copyright on the artwork.  As far as I know, not once has CUSA ignored the request of the copyright owner to remove the art.  You don't get to decide what is done with that artwork any more than CUSA does.

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I haven't seen a single sign of a real, factual problem here, not one! Only a handful of people with an obvious agenda, bending over backwards in their attempts to *create* a problem. Like hockey supporters crying "foul" as soon as they *believe* or *want* something to be a problem, even though they are merely bystanders themselves and not part of the game at all. And like the supporters they are, they have really tight standards when it comes to judging the visiting team, but a complete different set of standards when judging their own teams faults.

Couldn't care less about crying bystanders though, when the reason to why I'm really here is for the match!

(And BTW, didn't we see that "boxes" theme in another version as well, but they were all blue then, with the text "MorphOS", probably to illustrate the "box philosophy" of the OS? Then they suddenly became red and white?)

[takemehomegrandma]

If you check their website under products...
 
Thats lets see thats 5 computers listed then 2 more in the future models section...
 
There was the "amigo" the websurf all in one keyboard computer that mysteriously disappeared from their new site, along with the other slap a sticker on it and call it a commodore model ( That one was really the eee all in one pc with built in lcd screen)
 
So thats lets see thats 9 computers announced and hyped up and announced as "coming soon" since April... (3 of which were just slap a sticker on it and call it a commodore)  So far? They have had available for purchase just the cybernet zpc with a commodore sticker slapped on it, that only one person that we know of has purchased. Interesting, that one guy who bought one? That guy got a new job out of it though... as their chief technical officer. (Your kidding me right?)
 
Commodore usa - 9 computers announced in 10 months (2 cancelled or dissapeared so far, with zero explanation as to why) I think what happened is they ran out of stickers early in their budget or something.
 
10 months of hype and all they did was slap a commodore sticker on one cybernet zpc, sell it to one person, then give him a job as their new chief technical officer.
 
So lets see how long it takes for the other 7 computers to dissapear from their website with no explanation or get cancelled as products.
 
Maybe they truly had or have good intentions, but their track record so far just sucks if you ask me. Having good ideas or plans dosn't mean anything if you can't deliver. Real companies don't start announcing new products before they have working prototypes.
 
Stop hyping and announcing NEW products, start delivering what you've already announced and hyped up.

Please stop shouting about this, when it's so darn obvious that the whole thing currently is a document under work! It's all moving targets! What's the problem? In what way has anyone been damaged or hurt by them evaluating different options to go ahead?

When reading your posts it becomes clear that they at least delivered more than A-Eon. And they don't have a pre-payment scheme set up. And the new Commodore 64 (if it gets here) will at least be something cool and unique, it will have mojo, it can actually use common 2010 level productivity and Internet apps, it will probably be affordable, it will have cool trade marks, and people might actually consider buying the thing. That is: completely the opposite of the "x1000" (if it gets here).

[takemehomegrandma]

I don't understand how having the legal right to use the name makes these products any more appealing.

Then where have you been the last 10 years? "The name" has been about the only reason to why 99% of OS4 users went that way instead of MorphOS, despite OS4 having less Amiga compatibility, being slower, having less features and lower specs! :lol: But that's only movements within this tight little sealed off community of hobbyists anyway...

In a *real* context, the trademarks Commodore and Amiga could be the way to reach those masses of people that once owned a Commodore or Amiga, that sees the new C64 in an ad, looks at its specs, and decides: "heck, this would be a cool thing! Not only can I use Open Office and similar creativity and Internet applications, I can also play those old C64 and Amiga games on it that I remember and cherished! And my friends would be really impressed by its design!"

[takemehomegrandma]

all 7 of the computers on their current website, and the "NEW OS" available. Thats 8 new products they have to release.

AFAIK they will not sell operating systems, especially not Amiga ones. Of course they will have some kind of OS on their products, but I have seen no sign of that being a stand-alone product. Doesn't make sense either...

Announcing a new AMIGA OS when your just doing that is part of my problem with them

But they are *NOT* announcing a new AMIGA OS!

That's the reason to why they won't support/bundle AROS with it; it could put Amiga Inc in an awkward position, since they in their "settlement" with Hyperion agreed to not licensing the Amiga trade mark to operating systems that resembles the Amiga OS 3.x as being outlined in the contract. OK, one could perhaps argue that what Amiga Inc is licensing the trade mark for is the hardware, and hardware alone, and that it's Commodore on their own (who doesn't have any limiting agreements with Hyperion whatsoever) who installs AROS. But that would perhaps be in a grey zone, and a source to potential problems. Best thing to completely stay away from all those Amiga OS 3.x derivates, and base the Workbench 5 environment on Linux with a nice looking AROS theme instead (and if it's easy for the customers to install a Linux hosted AROS version themselves (using the same default theme) when they get the hardware, then everyone will be happy and any potential problems be avoided!)

A side note, I have enough linux experience to tell you that linux and amiga os are worlds apart. It may be fairly easy to get linux to look like amiga, but getting it to work anything like amiga os is entirely different.

I don't think the audience for this product won't care! They haven't been in contact with anything Commodore or Amiga for 1.5-2 decades, and they probably couldn't even start a program today let alone find their documents spread out in the file system if faced with that environment (what, there are folders that are "invisible"?!? Why?). They have grown used to something else. Something with a start menu, and a certain maturity level of applications. All they will want is a nice and easy way to run their old games and apps they remember from the past, when taking a break from doing the "real" computing stuff with the Linux applications. And I'm pretty sure that a hosted AROS would be more than enough for anyone wanting to really "dig into the past".

[takemehomegrandma]

Very debatable, the Fractal case is a MUCH better design, go and read some reviews.

There are reviews and there are reviews. The Fractal case is probably a very good design, I don't dispute that, I don't care.

Point though, is that people are whining that one company is in the "slapping brand stickers on third party products", while still supporting another company that has been in the brand slapping business for over a decade. That's my point. I have nothing against basing a new product on existing components. Heck, it makes a lot of sense even.

[takemehomegrandma]

Cool trademarks?  Commodore USA 64 doesn't sound that cool to me nor does Commodore USA Amiga.

Then I guess I'll bring good news to you; the products will not be called "Commodore USA", but "Commodore". Period.



I think you are confusing the product brands with the name of the company, but that's perhaps an easy mistake to make? The company could as well be called "yada yada inc.", it doesn't matter.

No, of course the real names will be Commodore Amiga 1000, etc...

[takemehomegrandma]

What? No Tablet!

Good idea! Maybe they can license one from Genesi, who has working prototypes! And then make some 1985 retro style plastic casing for it, smack on the logotypes, and off they go! :lol:

[takemehomegrandma]

I have left two brown envelopes full of cash.

It will of course cost more than the motherboard would have cost you standalone, but I seriously doubt you will have to pay two envelopes full of cash for this one! If it's not one-dollar bills of course!

I mean, it's not like you would be buying into the X1000 pre-payment scheme, I mean, paying a huge pile of cash for a computer you don't even know the full specifications of that's still in some vague prototype phase, and on top of that you have to agree to renounce your rights to be treated as a real consumer! :lol:

[takemehomegrandma]

You are funny...let the X1000 alone, why do you always bring that into play! Let it be, they must have really hurt you these people in the past.

It's nothing about that, it's the double standards some people use that annoys me...

I say let them do what they want, there is space for everyone.

There is something we can agree on!