CommodoreUSA site updated

[takemehomegrandma]

Cool!

If the new Commodore 64 really materializes I might consider one (if the price is right). Also depends a bit on what's in the SW package, and how they package it.

The Amiga 1000 with Workbench 5 could also become something of my interest. I really like the looks of the case (I recall someone posting on moobunny the manufacturer and model name, but can't recall. Looks very sweet though). But again it depends on what's in the SW package, and how it's put together. I'd really like the option of running it as a HTPC out of the box for instance. And it would be cool if Workbench 5 would bring some kind of Amiga feeling to it all!

Going to keep my eyes on this development!

[takemehomegrandma]

Isn't that backround image on the "Workbench 5" page yet another stolen 3D image from aminet?

Who the fuck cares? Really? Like every red/white boing ball on every web site around the world during the last 15 years was pixeled from scratch anyway? Did you really paint your entire avatar from scratch, or did you re-use some Canadian flag Internet graphics? I sure as hell didn't paint *my* avatar from scratch, I blatantly "stole" it from the title scene of the movie "the butterfly effect" and resized it. And "stolen" BTW? You mean it isn't there on Aminet anymore (freely accessible for everyone to download)?

I love the way these guys are spamming/trolling the hell out of Amigaworld lately....

And I love the way some people simply can't stand this new Commodore company trying to finally making some sensible use of the Amiga trade mark. They have licensed it. It's within their full right to do so.

I'll wait to see what will come out of this, if anything at all. Maybe Commodore's new Amiga's will be something interesting. Maybe not. Who knows? But they currently haven't got any product on the market AFAIK, yet some of you people really goes out of your way in what only can be described as some Witch Prosecution Process.

Anyway, can't say I really care. But it's really fun to watch you get so darned triggered as soon as even the tiniest message about anything Amiga comes from Commodore!

[takemehomegrandma]

Thats right. Its just a bunch of Chinese HTPC cases that have been around for a while. I guess they'll just slap some stickers on them.

http://www.aumro.com/products.html

Ah, yes those were the ones I spoke of earlier! Looks very nice!

Looks *much* better than A-EON's third party cases if you ask me...

[takemehomegrandma]

I'm guessing that "Workbench 5" is going to be some kind of Windows 7 or Ubuntu theme. The emulation will be a couple Commodore icons on the desktop that will launch a preconfigrued WinUAE and C64 emulation.

I doubt it will be Windows 7. Most certainly Linux based.

And hopefully Workbench 5 will run Amiga programs (and C64 programs) in a *seamless* way, and have everything pre-configured and set up in a nice and convenient way!

I'm not sure who is going to buy any of this stuff?

Any old (but gone since long) Amiga fan, remembering the Commodore 64 and Amiga era, wanting a cool machine to run and re-experience all the old C64 and Amiga software on a modern machine, that on top of the retro emulation stuff is also a *real* computer that you can do *real* computing stuff on?

You can't dispute the "geek factor" of the Commodore 64! I think it can sell!

[takemehomegrandma]

I am confused...

Anyone can do what they are doing...

...

...it's pretty clear it's something (an emulator) running on top of Windows or Linux, again, anyone can do that.

...and they are doing it so that you *won't have to*! And with an *official* Commodore Amiga brand, for those who are into those kind of things!

[takemehomegrandma]

"Once he starts shipping product (which I'm sure he will), he'll finally silence a large portion of the naysayers."
 
Hey iggy, did you forget about the 2 or 3 other keyboard all in one computers which he was hyping for months and then never shipped?

Oh, and I remember a company called "A-eon", that made their entry in one enormous hype boom! That amateurish looking website that dropped hints day by day. Like "click on the dot over the i and you get to yet another secret page" or whatever they were up to. Building up a hype that something special is about to happen. Then nothing. Later a promise for a release in summer. The summer came and went. No products. Only a pre-payment scheme. Months goes by, and we are actually closing in to a one year anniversary of complete void. Reminds me of Troika's "Amy'05". First one year passed, then another. Then suddenly some people started their good-old falsification of history behavior, claiming "but the '05 was never a year, it merely was some random number that looked cool". Yada yada. Well, at least Commodore announces what processor they are using in their Amiga's.
 

What have they shipped so far? Some zpc's with commodore stickers slapped on them?

So they actually delivered something then? :-O

Well, I remember a company selling Teron motherboards with an AmigaOne sticker slapped on them! But wait, they didn't even have the stickers!

Ah well...

With that kind of track record already, I doubt any of this new stuff they are trying to hype will ever arrive.

X1000. Timberwolf. USB2. OS4.1.3/4.2. A few picks from a very long list. Aren't we used to hype as a track record as of now? What's new? Really?

[takemehomegrandma]

People can pick apart CUSA all they want, but what they are stating as their plan is both attractive, and actually feasible.  The prototype photos of the C64 case shows that they are serious about actually rebuilding the brand.

No, it isn't going to compete against Mac or the PC.  That ship has sailed.  I know that if the PC64 makes it to market at an only slightly unreasonable price, I will buy one.  It is certainly more practical than my MiniMig, and it doesn't fall prey to the MiniMigs fatal flaw of not having a reasonable case.  Looking at the prototype cases for the PC64, I have to say, it looks really nice.  I'm not sure about the F-Keys being replaced by media keys, but if they are not already remappable, that should just be a software issue.

I am honestly surprised that they haven't already just said screw it, and decided to forget the whole thing.  I am glade they didn't.

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[takemehomegrandma]

True Amigans are not the target market here, they are targeting ex-long-gone users and new ones who have never heard of Commodore or Amiga.

Sorry, but that's utterly stupid! Of course the market is true old Amiga and Commodore fans, otherwise they wouldn't bother with the Commodore Amiga trademarks! I'm pretty sure these Commodore Amiga's will run both the Commodore software and Amiga software those nostalgia people will want to run, pretty much the same way as they ran it back in the days!

CUSA want to make money by using the name they claim they own (licensed), end of story.

To many it sounds like a not very honourable, devious scam, to others it sounds like any other business.

Of course they will want to make money on the trade marks. That's why they legally licensed them, isn't it? Nothing "devious scam" about it at all.

(OTOH there are companies that try to make money from similar trade marks that they more or less robbed through a devious legal process, to market an OS of which IP they also grabbed in a similar "decent" manner)

[takemehomegrandma]

Agreed. And at least C=USA is not trying to make off-the-shelf XMOS chips anyone can pop into their PC via USB for a couple of bucks pass as "custom chips, just like in the old days".

+1

[takemehomegrandma]

Yes, 'official branding' has never been important to me. I use MorphOS with Amiga ftp and scanner software and I never concerned myself as to whether or not I'm using a 'real Amiga'.

+1

It was a long time the Amiga brand stopped having any real meaning to me. And when you look at features, specs, performance and Amiga compatibility, MorphOS is Amiga done right anyway, so...

But the plastic prototype...



...surely shows an ambition far beyond simply slapping a sticker on to an emulator. This could become a prime geek gimmick gadget!

Not holding my breath though...

[takemehomegrandma]

http://www.aumro.com/products.html <- hey guys - just get your stylish amiga 1/2/3000 cases there and put in your pegasus/sam/amiga-one etc. boards.

Yes, a much better choice than the "Fractal Design Define R2 Black Pearl" if you ask me...

[takemehomegrandma]

@takemehomegrandma

>>Sorry, but that's utterly stupid!

Or is it? Is it stupid really? It looks like 90% of Commodore and Amiga people think this takes the piss. A C64 shell with a x86 board inside. Anyone can get a C64 off ebay and do the same in 60 minutes, with better specifications parts.

You are confused. Better look again.

>>Of course the market is true old Amiga and Commodore fans, otherwise they wouldn't bother with the Commodore Amiga trademarks!

Wrong! The Commodore Amiga trademarks are there because they are an asset. Better to use the Commodore and Amiga names rather than a brand new one but as I said before many Amigans will not touch the stuff.

You know what? I think you have spent way to much time on sites like amigaworld.net and amigans.net. You need to get out more. The world moved on long time ago.

The only value that the Commodore and Amiga brands has today, the only chance to make any kind of money whatsoever from them, is from retro gimmick stuff like this. Most people who still has any kind of recognition for the Commodore brand, left the brand more than two decades ago. Most people who still recognize the Amiga brand left it one and a half decade ago. Both categories of people are middle-aged or old today, they moved on with their lives, but many probably have happy memories from the games, etc they played back then. This would be the market.

If Commodore can identify, conceptualize and reproduce that set of nostalgic memories (and emotions they bring) into some real, tangible products, then they might have a business. And the key to this will be the trade marks of course. But it also comes down to Workbench 5, which will be the SW that ties it all together. Ideally it will come in a pre-configured and well thought through shape and form. All necessary emulators already there, the environment set up and ready to go. Maybe some kind of Internet service as an extension? If they get the software right, they can absolutely use the trademarks to sell Commodore Amiga's to enthusiasts. And if they can make the bread-box C64 design come true, then it will be a hit! Heck, I might buy one myself, just because of the coolness factor alone!

What will be *impossible* to sell, no matter the "amigaone" trademark, is the X1000 as it has been described this far. Completely impossible! You probably doesn't understand why; your use of the words "real" and "true" in combination with "amigan" in your posts (as well as the assumption that normal people (the masses) actually cares about CPU's beyond "available, cheap and powerful") shows all the signs of that much too long stay at "amigans.net" that usually leads to a misconceived perception of reality that "Amiga" would be something that it's not.

Sorry.

[takemehomegrandma]

What aspect is impressive to you?

Personally, I'm kind of impressed that anyone actually managed to bring the rights to use the Commodore and Amiga brands together under one roof for the first time since the Commodore bankruptcy (something I'm sure that many people has dreamed of during the years), that they are working on a complete remake of the bread-box C64, that they will use this for new, modern Commodore Amiga computers that not only plays all the C64 and Amiga games and applications that returning Commodore Amiga fans would expect, but also offering the 2010 level applications that everyone expects today.

Whether they will really pull it off or not remains to be seen, but all the aspects of their ambitions impresses at least me!

[takemehomegrandma]

Is this company trying to sell the artwork to members of the public?

Yes, he has ignored people who did not own the copyright on the artwork.  As far as I know, not once has CUSA ignored the request of the copyright owner to remove the art.  You don't get to decide what is done with that artwork any more than CUSA does.

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I haven't seen a single sign of a real, factual problem here, not one! Only a handful of people with an obvious agenda, bending over backwards in their attempts to *create* a problem. Like hockey supporters crying "foul" as soon as they *believe* or *want* something to be a problem, even though they are merely bystanders themselves and not part of the game at all. And like the supporters they are, they have really tight standards when it comes to judging the visiting team, but a complete different set of standards when judging their own teams faults.

Couldn't care less about crying bystanders though, when the reason to why I'm really here is for the match!

(And BTW, didn't we see that "boxes" theme in another version as well, but they were all blue then, with the text "MorphOS", probably to illustrate the "box philosophy" of the OS? Then they suddenly became red and white?)

[takemehomegrandma]

If you check their website under products...
 
Thats lets see thats 5 computers listed then 2 more in the future models section...
 
There was the "amigo" the websurf all in one keyboard computer that mysteriously disappeared from their new site, along with the other slap a sticker on it and call it a commodore model ( That one was really the eee all in one pc with built in lcd screen)
 
So thats lets see thats 9 computers announced and hyped up and announced as "coming soon" since April... (3 of which were just slap a sticker on it and call it a commodore)  So far? They have had available for purchase just the cybernet zpc with a commodore sticker slapped on it, that only one person that we know of has purchased. Interesting, that one guy who bought one? That guy got a new job out of it though... as their chief technical officer. (Your kidding me right?)
 
Commodore usa - 9 computers announced in 10 months (2 cancelled or dissapeared so far, with zero explanation as to why) I think what happened is they ran out of stickers early in their budget or something.
 
10 months of hype and all they did was slap a commodore sticker on one cybernet zpc, sell it to one person, then give him a job as their new chief technical officer.
 
So lets see how long it takes for the other 7 computers to dissapear from their website with no explanation or get cancelled as products.
 
Maybe they truly had or have good intentions, but their track record so far just sucks if you ask me. Having good ideas or plans dosn't mean anything if you can't deliver. Real companies don't start announcing new products before they have working prototypes.
 
Stop hyping and announcing NEW products, start delivering what you've already announced and hyped up.

Please stop shouting about this, when it's so darn obvious that the whole thing currently is a document under work! It's all moving targets! What's the problem? In what way has anyone been damaged or hurt by them evaluating different options to go ahead?

When reading your posts it becomes clear that they at least delivered more than A-Eon. And they don't have a pre-payment scheme set up. And the new Commodore 64 (if it gets here) will at least be something cool and unique, it will have mojo, it can actually use common 2010 level productivity and Internet apps, it will probably be affordable, it will have cool trade marks, and people might actually consider buying the thing. That is: completely the opposite of the "x1000" (if it gets here).