Pegasos to go on sale Monday / Pegasos II to ship September 2003

[takemehomegrandma]

Wow, this was an interesting twist!  :-)

I am glad to have a Pegasos secured in my home! :-D
Looks like there might be a shortage for a while ...

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@ hnl_dk

We the AmigaOS 4.x fanatics (them who has the money) might get dual G4 in some weeks ...

Well, let's hope so! But we do not know much about the reasons to this twist. Is it MAI/Articia-related? In that case the A1 could suffer too (but let's hope not). Or is this upgraded HW only a way of getting further ahead of the competition?

The MorphOS fanatics might be lucky to get single G4 in some month

And tripple gigabit ethernet, and DDR (and who knows what else? AGP4x? AGP8x?).

hnl_dk, I really hope that you will have your dual G4's and that you can use OS4 on that as soon as possible! You guys have really waited a long time now! In the meantime I will sit here and enjoy MorphOS as it evolves!

This was a real surprize, and I have quite mixed feelings about it. I guess I haven't had the time to think about it yet. But at least I know what I have. And I like it. No waiting for me! And when the time comes, I will decide if I will upgrade or not ...

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@ MarkTime

don't feel like taking a chance....

Hmm. It would be interesting to know what you mean by that? You are afraid that you won't get one of the 300 Pegasos1 even if you order one? Because what else have changed? Yesterday there were only the Pegasos1. Today they announce an even better machine for the late summer, but that doesn't mean that all the Pegasos1's will drop dead during this spring! I will continue to use mine. It's a great machine. And MorphOS is here now and will become even better all the time. So in what way has the "risk" changed? The cards are on the table for everyone to see!

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@ Crumb

think that Articia Sa (or P) is nearly finished. Why continue producing Articia S based computers if the have to wait until the chips arrive etc... it's easier for them to make a new board. They already have the experience of the previous Pegasos. It's a logical movement in my opinion, because they will not sell old chipsets when they can get new ones at a similar price.

I agree that this is a logical move. The only major negative things that people have said about the Pegasos (excluding pricing) is that the hardware is somewhat outdated. I have a feeling that the Pegasos2 won't be outdated! I'm not so sure that the new chipset will be Articia based at all, though ...

MorphOS user base will be quite small (Around 600users) well, I'm not counting the Cyberstorms, but It seems to me very few Pegasos.

It would be very interesting to know how many Pegasos were sold this far. And allthough about 600 might sound like a small figure I really believe that number covers a great deal of the remaining developers on the Amiga market, plus some new developers from "outside". And this was the aim for the pegasos. To establish a development platform for future products, like the Eclipsis, STB's, and now the Pegasos2 workstation/server. And not the least; to get MorphOS a solid HW platform to grow from. I think they succeded in doing that.

Many important developers allready have their Pegasos computers. They will continue to develop on them. Many users have Pegasos computers aswell (like me). And we will continue to use them :-D. And there will still be some 300 mobos available for those interested in getting things going before the Pegasos2 is released.

Many people bought a Pegasos due to the possibility of upgrading the CPU. Ok, there's a similar offer to that made to AmigaOne SE users, but I think that they should do upgrade cards... of course we'll have to see the offer.

I know. I was one of them! But to be honest, I don't really want a G4 anymore. Before I bought my Pegasos I was kind of used to the Wintel way of thinking, where you don't even consider booting up a computer with WinXP on anything lesser than a 2GHz CPU and 512MB DDR memory. So when I placed my order I orderd a 512MB memory module but I was kind of sceptical towards the "slow" G3@600MHz. But I can tell you this, since MorphOS is such a lean and unbloated OS the system really flies on that CPU. And since I don't do any advanced 3D raytracing or anything such, I don't have any use for a faster CPU now. The system couldn't fly much faster than it does. And a fast G4 would propably use a CPU fan which will create unwanted noise from my virtually silent (mute) computer. Well, 68k emulation would propably benefit from a faster CPU with faster memory. But it's not slow as it is now either, not for a "normal" user. (And the memory? Well, 512MB in an Amiga envireonment means a HUUUGE RAM: drive :-D)

I guess I will decide if I am going to use that upgrade offer when that becomes available. But I am not sure I will to tell the truth ...

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@ MarkTime

I see your point. I guess you will still have some days to make up your mind if you want to continue waiting.

And 400 boards by september is not market building. hyperion, as small as they are, will lose 400 customers just by shooting themselves in the foot...I don't see genesi even making an impact for the short term.

I don't really think that Genesi is in a phase where they actually try to build a consumer market just yet. The pegasos was AFAIR aimed towards developers. BBRV have stated that they do not need the money from the Pegasos to survive. And think about it, Genesi has spent some really huge sums on shows alone. This to draw interest towards the platform, to attrackt partners and developers, to get a momentum. I didn't really believe the sum they spent on CES in Las Vegas alone (but now I have forgot it :-P)They are flying in developers and other people from all over the world to Paris (on Genesi's expense), they host developer conferences with travels and lodging payed for. Why? To sell some hundreds of the Pegasos mobo? No. That has never been their final goal, only the beginning. The Pegasos was to get a momentum going, to gain developers to the future platform.

The Genesi future will be the Eclipsis, STB's and other embedded devices, and who knows whatever else. And now, surprisingly, a machine that would actually be a better workstation or server than the Pegasos1 could ever be (not that the Pegasos1 is bad - but the 2:nd will be better ;-)). I think this is good news, because I felt that Genesi was lagging behind on the workstation/server market, and I thought that Genesi didn't see that market as a priority. But this proves different. This will bring Genesi up on par with todays Macs. I like that they didn't just go for the STB's alone!

[takemehomegrandma]

@ Mountain_Myst

I have one on my desk. I believe it was launched at the WOASE show in 2002. I bought mine in December.

[takemehomegrandma]

They are doing it the "Apple" way?

[takemehomegrandma]

But the news of having no Pegasus 1 G4 upgrades and very limited availability does disappoint me.

At first, me too was kind of disappointed over the missing G4 upgrade. But they seem to solve this through an upgrade offer to the brand new computer. Time will tell how that will turn out. And to tell the truth, the G3 is far better than I thought it would be. On MacOSX (which is rather bloated) I guess that one or two G4's with Altivitec is quite necessary. But MorphOS and its applications is really fast on the G3, so I won't suffer the least!

The availability is somewhat disappointing too. But the problems with Articia has been known for some time (quality and availability). They got 400 pieces of the "old" ones, and these are used now together with April. I don't know how big the backlog is, but this will propably fill some gaps. And by reserving 100 mobos for themselves they can still make sure that certain "key developers" of their choice will be able to start developing for the future products.

This is sad especially for various Amiga dealers and a few software developers.

Some Amiga dealers might propably be disappointed in the short term. But the volumes would have been quite low anyway. And I don't really think this will matter much to the SW developers. The Pegasos(1) was AFAIK never intended as a major consumer desktop platform (a competitor to Wintel). The main purpose of the Pegasos was to get those developers started in developing applications and solutions for the future, high volume, products.

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@ weirdami

Why would they even announce the upcomming Peg II, before the Peg 1's are out. What they're saying is, please buy this now because later on, it will be obsolete and you won't want to buy it then.

Because they are straight and playing with open cards? Because there still is interest in Pegasos1? Because it has a backlog and people are complaining about that they want to get it but it is not available?

The Pegasos1 is still a great computer. What they are saying is, "You now have a choice. Do you want to continue waiting or stop waiting? If you want to, you can still buy the Pegasos1. But this is a limited offer. If you are thinking about doing some developing on the platform you can join Phoenix and buy a Pegasos motherboard today with a G3 600MHz processor for only €299".

And this is me adding: "Compare that to the A1 HW. And the A1 HW has not even been released yet. Even the less has OS4 been released. The A1 HW will eventually be released, but we are now about to leave those realms behind us and move forward towards even better HW".

How about that?

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@ Mountain_Myst

I'm feelin' good. ;-)

Me too!  :-D  :-D  :-D

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@ MikeB

Sure it's good to have an upgrade option, provided given a good deal (any details?), but this board does sound pretty much like a new design and thus a good chance for additional future delays.

I somewhat agree with you. This will propably be a completely new design. It might mean future delays, noone can say anything about that. But we do not know when the development started, and we do not now anything about their efforts and resources spent on this. It *could* be released on time. But we all know about the delays in all recent major HW projects ... :-(

There will still be some 300 Pegasos1 available though, for a (propably) very limited time ...

(Havent got used to call it "Pegasos1" instead of just "Pegasos" yet. But I guess progression is natural :-). Taste this: PegasosOne, or P1 :-D)

[takemehomegrandma]

Neither the PegasosOne :-) or the AmigaOne was IMO positioned as a mass produced desktop computer (read: wintel replacement). Hence, no mass production yet ...

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@ amigamad

amigaone will be around in larger numbers than this .

Let's hope so. And let's hope that some people will actually buy it (to the price they are asking), despite the fact that newer and better products will be around the corner from some competitors! ;-)

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@ Alkemyst

The cards are on the table for everyone to view. If you do not want to buy a PegasosOne ;-) then you don't have to. But then you will have to wait. If you want to start developing for the future products right now, there will be a limited chance to get the PegasosOne hardware before it is sold out completely. Buy now or wait. Your choice!

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@ Alkemyst

Sorry but your action here says to me that you dont really think what has happened is a good thing.

You have your Peg unlike some unlucky others

But yet you sit here & have posted a hell of a lot on this thread & have been hitting the reload button no doubt & have nearly replyed to every post on this thread.

Well, this was a surprizing thwist and I first had some split feelings about it all. But the whole issue matured in my head and now I really think it's a good thing. I guess I made quite a lot of posts here during that process  :-D .

I have seen your trend when Aone or Aos4 held back for what ever reason & you have hammered down.

I have?  :-?
I think I might have been pointing out an available alternative for those still waiting, but I have respect for the OS4 effort. (But I have a lot lesser respect for the "A1" hardware for obvious reasons).

But now its on the other foot your tone is now trying to sound more of a person of fair & realistic reason.

But that dont count cos that is not what you were willing to show with Aos4/Aone delays.

The OS4 supporters are still waiting for "their" PPC OS to be released. They have waited a LOONG time now. The A1 customers are still waiting for their HW, HW which will still be Articia-S based with all it's limitations. This wait for the new Pegasos will be different in that sense that it will be new and better HW. The PegasosOne has allready been in the Articia-S realms. Been there and done that, so to say. MorphOS exists and is being used by many people. I will continue to use MorphOS and follow it's evolution. That is the difference between the "waiting" for the two solutions, and that is what makes it uncomparable. It also explain my different "Point of View" towards the waiting for the two systems.

Where are all thoses MOS ppl now saying dont wait for Aone-XE/Aos4 get a peg.

I'm here!  :-D
Get a Pegasos now! Get it on Monday, because it might quickly run out of stock!  :-)

But now its OK to ask ppl wanting a Peg to wait even longer but it was not ok to ask ppl to wait for an Aone/Aos4

If you want a usable system based on the Articia-S performance and specifications, the PegasosOne will be available for a short time starting from monday(?). You can use this with MorphOS as you used to use your Amiga. Or you can wait until late summer (at least IMO) for a new computer with better specification.

I guess you could also continue waiting for the Articia-S based A1 HW, and the OS4. It's not impossible that you can start using your Articia-S based A1 as an Amiga (due to OS4) by the same time as the new PegasosTwo will be available. But it's of course your choice to make!  :-)