[UserReview] Vampire V2-128 received and it's just pure p0rn.

[kolla]

AROS booting on Vampire v2
https://youtu.be/FCeMIccENk4

Nice, why did you not press "Cancel" so we could see Workbook running etc?

[kolla]

A Vampire2 could be a nice system to do native compilation on, provided that the toolchain doesn't get all confused about the CPU.

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For me, the whole point of this hobby is using the old machines, I dont see the appeal in emulation.

If you consider using FPGA emulation, why are you even bothering with this thread?

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I have downloaded all the Amiga Miming files and just might start my own project. I don't just want a machine running 30 year old games, I have Amiga/C64 forever for that. I want a ALL In One Amiga running a UAE type BIOS with All Roms, Chip Sets, CPUs, Mem, Graphic, ect..ect FPGA programmed.

UAE and Minimig has little to nothing in common, not sure why you mention UAE.

[kolla]

It is essentially https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In-circuit_emulation, although traditionally ICE is slower while Vampire is faster.

What? No. Nothing like that.

[kolla]

Anyone using Indivision ECS should know they are using an emulator. According to some.

[kolla]

It's not a discussion, it is emulation. It's really unhelpful that people use the "I don't like emulation, I like FPGA's, therefore FPGA's aren't emulation" logic.

So, is all use of FPGA emulation?
Does something have to exist to be emulated?
Do you consider Indivision ECS an emulator?
Do you consider C64 DTV an emulator?
Do you consider Akiko an emulator?

Where do you draw the line - when is something no longer emulation?

[kolla]

Then everything is emulation.

[kolla]

If you program a FPGA to function as a Paula Chip yes you are emulating the Paula chip but at a Hardware level. Get over it already.... FPGA is the next best thing! Better than NOTHING!

The Paula chip is emulating bits of the original Lorraine prototype then. And AGA is emulation of ECS and OCS.

The point is - the chips are based on designs that you can implement with transistors, with chips, and most conveniently these days, with FPGA. Same for the CPU, implementations of designs.

Emulation is primary about translation and imitating behaviour. Ask Toni Wilen about how UEA works and how it is different than using FPGA.

[kolla]

Am I the only one who doesn't really care whether it is or isn't emulation?

Not at all. But I have yet to see emulation work as well as current FPGA options do.

I just look forward to considerably  upgrading the computer I got as a seven year old and seeing what it can do after 30 years.

Remember to compare it with emulators then, see if you notice any differences.

[kolla]

Only in a world of logical fallacy and trolling.

I am not trolling, at best I am emulating a troll.

[kolla]

So how do one distinguish between using FPGA and using UAE? You can see on this very thread how people are confusing the two, and it is even worse "out there" among more normal people.

[kolla]

Which is why we don't need people trying to twist the words meaning for their own agenda by applying negative connotations to it. We may as well start referring to UAE as a Nazi.

Is it not you who have an agenda by applying negative connotations ("emulator") to the item in topic here?

[kolla]

I don`t quite see what Amithlon has to offer, WinUAE, FS-UAE and UAE4ALL have way better compatibility and functionality, not to mentional flexibility - as user you can decide yourself how much host OS you want under them. I use FS-UAE on my Powerbook daily, and for most productivity programs that works with RTG it is hands down the best option I have. But for games, animation and music where timing is critical, the only satisfying options are real Amiga, Minimig and the MIST.

[kolla]

To be fair, if the CPU core advertised itself as a basic 020 but silently supported the 040fpu and some other 040+ instructions like move16, lots of software would just work.

From what I understand, no 68k CPU "advertise" itself, it's a matter of software trying to identify the CPU based on poking around

[kolla]

That is SO cool. Legacy Amiga can now handle modern sound standards!

Which standards are those?
Or to be more specific - modern sound processing applications do mixing in 32bit or 64bit internally, and ... floating point at that.

I don't quite see what this AGA demo has to do with any of that?