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Offline kolla

Re: [UserReview] Vampire V2-128 received and it's just pure p0rn.
« Reply #29 on: March 01, 2016, 04:34:06 PM »
Quote from: DocSnyder;804964

Vampire is the future, SAGA offers higher resolution and more colors than AGA and more. Coming software will make use of it.


In their dreams - I will pester them online for attempting at monopolizing the Amiga market till they blow off like lemmings.

Apollo core will leak! :laughing:
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Offline kolla

Re: [UserReview] Vampire V2-128 received and it's just pure p0rn.
« Reply #30 on: March 01, 2016, 04:47:27 PM »
Quote from: Niding;805033

Now "everybody" will have 060++ level performance and atleast 2+128 megs of ram.


Dream on.
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Offline kolla

Re: [UserReview] Vampire V2-128 received and it's just pure p0rn.
« Reply #31 on: March 01, 2016, 04:49:29 PM »
Quote from: OlafS3;805036

it is decision of developers


Especially developers of compiler backends.
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Offline kolla

Re: [UserReview] Vampire V2-128 received and it's just pure p0rn.
« Reply #32 on: March 01, 2016, 04:59:05 PM »
Quote from: grond;805046

I'm 100% sure that anyone interested will be allowed (or rather encouraged) to replicate the 64-bit 68k mode and the SAGA extensions that apollo core will bring in their respective projects.


That is certainly not the impression I got from following this project over a year and a half. For a neat sum of money, the core can be licensed to your FPGA project, of course.

Why is there an Apollo vs. PowerPC vs NION (of all things) soft core speed comparison on the apollo-core website? What/who is Gunnar trying to attract with that?
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Offline kolla

Re: [UserReview] Vampire V2-128 received and it's just pure p0rn.
« Reply #33 on: March 01, 2016, 05:08:51 PM »
Quote from: Niding;805053
You wouldnt happen to be Frankos norwegian cousin?

We are friends on FB and in contact every now and then, he is really a great guy :)

I was more weirded out by certain other amiga people who wanted to be friends with me there, but maybe it has not dawned on them who I am :laughing:
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Offline kolla

Re: [UserReview] Vampire V2-128 received and it's just pure p0rn.
« Reply #34 on: March 01, 2016, 06:18:56 PM »
Quote from: grond;805065
"Replicate", not "take the code and use it". I suppose AMD didn't give Intel the VHDL sources to their x64 extension either...


It is one of those "I will believe it when I see it" things.

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I don't think for an FPGA project because then the code would spread. For an ASIC? I guess that would be a dream to come true.


For Amiga users only, that is a very small market for doing ASIC production of an oddball CPU.
 
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A comparison against PowerPC makes sense in the Amiga world, even more so since the PPC softcore is actually marketed as an ASIC, too, I just forgot the part number.


Are you saying that there are AmigaOne systems around running a FPGA softcore PowerPC?

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NIOS is a popular softcore and probably was available to the testers at IBM and serves the role as a neutral third for comparing both apollo and PPC.


However, those other cores have features that appeal to the real world markets and are widely supported outside of Amiga sphere.

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I don't know. He may be proud of their 68k implementation which took them seven years and isn't even complete yet? He likes to point out that dropping 68k and going RISC wasn't as wise a move as it seemed in the early 90s. Perhaps he hopes that somebody will license the core for an ASIC?


That could happen if the first products would be truly compatible with existing OSes, toolchains and software. Instead it is a core that is not really compatible enough, and does not yet have any toolchain and compiler backends. Hopefully they will show up, but with an architecture only catering to how Amiga use 68k, what are the odds it will happen? I have asked around in various other 68k camps (NetBSD, Linux, NeXT, Atari), and the answer is always the same - not compatible enough, cannot be bothered.
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Offline kolla

Re: [UserReview] Vampire V2-128 received and it's just pure p0rn.
« Reply #35 on: March 02, 2016, 01:44:40 PM »
Quote from: grond;805164
America and Europe are getting closer to each other each year by continental drift... :)


Not.
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Offline kolla

Re: [UserReview] Vampire V2-128 received and it's just pure p0rn.
« Reply #36 on: March 02, 2016, 04:01:13 PM »
Quote from: grond;805168
Farther apart?

Are you serious?
Yes.

In other news, the earth is orbiting the sun. :laughing:
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Offline kolla

Re: [UserReview] Vampire V2-128 received and it's just pure p0rn.
« Reply #37 on: March 02, 2016, 04:07:45 PM »
With the Vampire requiring AROS, and only new software being able to make benefit from the improvements Apollo core has over old 68k - what benefits are there in running AROS on Apollo core vs running AROS on a cheap ARM or AMD64 system?
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Offline kolla

Re: [UserReview] Vampire V2-128 received and it's just pure p0rn.
« Reply #38 on: March 03, 2016, 12:47:04 AM »
The simple solution is that Apollo Team make sure the Apollo core and Vampire boards are so compatible that they don't *need* patching exec and kickstarts. It is really that simple! With all the touting about compatibility, the Apollo core should run fine with any kickstart, 1.x onwards. Incidentally, I have a MIST, and it has softcore 68000/010/020 that does run unpatched kickstarts just fine. The apollo team can easily fix this situation themselves, it would even create a bigger market for them. But, whatever :)
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Offline kolla

Re: [UserReview] Vampire V2-128 received and it's just pure p0rn.
« Reply #39 on: March 03, 2016, 12:52:30 AM »
Quote from: zylesea;805177
What about a seemless 68k compability?


Hopefully yes.
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Offline kolla

Re: [UserReview] Vampire V2-128 received and it's just pure p0rn.
« Reply #40 on: March 03, 2016, 01:05:20 AM »
Quote from: OlafS3;805180
then why running 3.X on Apollo core or more precise why running anything amiga related at all?


Indeed. What I want with "classic" is to use the programs that pushed the chipset, meaning graphics productivity software like DPaint, Brilliance etc and various music generating software. Once RTG enters the picture, I move to faster options with far more RAM anyways. Besides that, I have an interest in Linux and BSD on m68k.
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Offline kolla

Re: [UserReview] Vampire V2-128 received and it's just pure p0rn.
« Reply #41 on: March 03, 2016, 01:08:01 AM »
Quote from: wawrzon;805217
i dont get the whole drama. there is an accelerator that currently apparently needs an updated rom. but the consumers have acquired a license for legitimate use of that rom long ago with their machines.


Only A1200, A4000T and CD32 were ever sold with 3.1 kickstarts, AFAIK.
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Offline kolla

Re: [UserReview] Vampire V2-128 received and it's just pure p0rn.
« Reply #42 on: March 03, 2016, 01:30:48 AM »
Quote from: wawrzon;805222
you could get 3.1 kickstarts for whatever amiga. i have my all 4000er upgraded. if the kickstarts bought from amiga dealers are legal, that is.


Of course, me too, but many never did.
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Offline kolla

Re: [UserReview] Vampire V2-128 received and it's just pure p0rn.
« Reply #43 on: March 03, 2016, 01:44:11 AM »
Quote from: wawrzon;805224
that might be en course, thanks jason again, autoconfig and the like..


If that is so, good.

Another obvious limitation is of course the current production line, which from what I understand is kipper2k and his soldering iron.
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Offline kolla

Re: [UserReview] Vampire V2-128 received and it's just pure p0rn.
« Reply #44 from previous page: March 03, 2016, 02:30:26 AM »
Quote from: wawrzon;805232
omg.. what is wrong again??? will you ever run out of complaints?


I would love to :)
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