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Offline kolla

Re: Successor to the CD32 in the console market
« on: December 10, 2015, 02:01:05 PM »
Nothing "special" about Linux on RPi, it is the same old, not as if it was the first ARM system around running Linux. I suggest people stop repeating false claims about things they have marginal to no knowledge about.
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A1200/Blz1230III/32MB
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Offline kolla

Re: Successor to the CD32 in the console market
« Reply #1 on: December 12, 2015, 12:55:31 PM »
Quote from: matthey;800036
Some bloated OS flavors still don't work on the 256MB low end Raspberry Pi 1 instead supporting only the Raspberry Pi 2.


What certain distros decide to target is not relevant.

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There was initially problems with the ARM1176JZF-S CPU target as it was not the most popular and there are so many ARM variations that compiler support is difficult and confusing.


That is nothing new, nor is it unique to ARM.

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Ever wonder why vbcc doesn't support ARM despite being a compiler designed for embedded systems and even supporting the Pi's Videocore IV GPU with OpenCL?


Nope, I have never wondered about that.

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There is nothing "special" about ARM support other that supporting all the modes and CPU variations. Maybe you are the Linux and ARM guru we need to add the non-special support?


I currently have somewhere between 14 and 20 ARM systems, all running Linux, typically my own flavour of gentoo. Some of them only have 8 or 16MB of RAM. You want pictures or what?
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A4000/CS060/Mediator4000Di/Voodoo5/128MB
A1200/Blz1260/IndyAGA/192MB
A1200/Blz1260/64MB
A1200/Blz1230III/32MB
A1200/ACA1221
A600/V600v2/Subway USB
A600/Apollo630/32MB
A600/A6095
CD32/SX32/32MB/Plipbox
CD32/TF328
A500/V500v2
A500/MTec520
CDTV
MiSTer, MiST, FleaFPGAs and original Minimig
Peg1, SAM440 and Mac minis with MorphOS
 

Offline kolla

Re: Successor to the CD32 in the console market
« Reply #2 on: December 12, 2015, 01:06:30 PM »
All iOS devices are ARM. Most Android devices are also ARM. There is Mali. There are far more games running on ARM already than there ever was on 68k. Why is this not obvious for certain people?
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A4000/CS060/Mediator4000Di/Voodoo5/128MB
A1200/Blz1260/IndyAGA/192MB
A1200/Blz1260/64MB
A1200/Blz1230III/32MB
A1200/ACA1221
A600/V600v2/Subway USB
A600/Apollo630/32MB
A600/A6095
CD32/SX32/32MB/Plipbox
CD32/TF328
A500/V500v2
A500/MTec520
CDTV
MiSTer, MiST, FleaFPGAs and original Minimig
Peg1, SAM440 and Mac minis with MorphOS
 

Offline kolla

Re: Successor to the CD32 in the console market
« Reply #3 on: December 12, 2015, 11:08:01 PM »
The m68k ISA is the same because it was an architecture with relatively short lifespan. Or one can easily say Coldfire is the same arch and that m68k hence struggle with same issues. The many incarnations of ARM is a result of evolution and what keeps it relevant. In context of Linux, this variation is not much of a problem, it is something we are used to, something we deal with all the time regardless of architecture. There is no "win32" for Linux, we use sources.

And yeah, I know what goes on with Linux on m68k, been on that boat since 1994. I believe my Minimig has a uCLinux disk image that I built some years ago. Those people you speak of, they all left because of limitations in Amiga OS, both technically and legally. Amiga OS can never replace uCLinux either, sadly.
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A3000/060CSPPC+CVPPC/128MB + 256MB BigRAM/Deneb USB
A4000/CS060/Mediator4000Di/Voodoo5/128MB
A1200/Blz1260/IndyAGA/192MB
A1200/Blz1260/64MB
A1200/Blz1230III/32MB
A1200/ACA1221
A600/V600v2/Subway USB
A600/Apollo630/32MB
A600/A6095
CD32/SX32/32MB/Plipbox
CD32/TF328
A500/V500v2
A500/MTec520
CDTV
MiSTer, MiST, FleaFPGAs and original Minimig
Peg1, SAM440 and Mac minis with MorphOS
 

Offline kolla

Re: Successor to the CD32 in the console market
« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2015, 11:13:27 PM »
Btw, you should check out the Steam Machine, a Linux based gaming console.
http://store.steampowered.com/universe/machines/
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A3000/060CSPPC+CVPPC/128MB + 256MB BigRAM/Deneb USB
A4000/CS060/Mediator4000Di/Voodoo5/128MB
A1200/Blz1260/IndyAGA/192MB
A1200/Blz1260/64MB
A1200/Blz1230III/32MB
A1200/ACA1221
A600/V600v2/Subway USB
A600/Apollo630/32MB
A600/A6095
CD32/SX32/32MB/Plipbox
CD32/TF328
A500/V500v2
A500/MTec520
CDTV
MiSTer, MiST, FleaFPGAs and original Minimig
Peg1, SAM440 and Mac minis with MorphOS
 

Offline kolla

Re: Successor to the CD32 in the console market
« Reply #5 on: December 13, 2015, 05:04:47 AM »
Those developers who left to become core BSD and Linux contributors have all been quite open about why Amiga OS was not an option. uCLinux on m68k was originally something made for palm pilots, then Atari ST, and then ported to Amiga by Geert Uytterhoeven, you know, the guy behind MuFS and many other things you can find on aminet. He is to this day main coordinator of Linux/m68k. uCLinux has strength over Amiga OS in that it is open source and hence customizable, mostly posix compliant and with subsets of the well known interfaces found on "full" Linux, including modern IP stack. Amiga OS falls short very quickly.
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A3000/060CSPPC+CVPPC/128MB + 256MB BigRAM/Deneb USB
A4000/CS060/Mediator4000Di/Voodoo5/128MB
A1200/Blz1260/IndyAGA/192MB
A1200/Blz1260/64MB
A1200/Blz1230III/32MB
A1200/ACA1221
A600/V600v2/Subway USB
A600/Apollo630/32MB
A600/A6095
CD32/SX32/32MB/Plipbox
CD32/TF328
A500/V500v2
A500/MTec520
CDTV
MiSTer, MiST, FleaFPGAs and original Minimig
Peg1, SAM440 and Mac minis with MorphOS
 

Offline kolla

Re: Successor to the CD32 in the console market
« Reply #6 on: December 15, 2015, 01:02:41 AM »
Matthey, the only thing I see Amiga has that is of any value currently in modern computing, is the user interface, Intuition along with ASL etc. You can easily make a lot of former Amiga users happy just by recreating that on *ix using for example Qt. The so called "most users" apparently shun CLI and scripting anyways.
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A3000/060CSPPC+CVPPC/128MB + 256MB BigRAM/Deneb USB
A4000/CS060/Mediator4000Di/Voodoo5/128MB
A1200/Blz1260/IndyAGA/192MB
A1200/Blz1260/64MB
A1200/Blz1230III/32MB
A1200/ACA1221
A600/V600v2/Subway USB
A600/Apollo630/32MB
A600/A6095
CD32/SX32/32MB/Plipbox
CD32/TF328
A500/V500v2
A500/MTec520
CDTV
MiSTer, MiST, FleaFPGAs and original Minimig
Peg1, SAM440 and Mac minis with MorphOS