Commodore Scotland Under Threat...

[AmigaNG]

I'm afraid weather you like it or not you are breaking the law, even if a product is not available to purchase you are still braking the law. Sorry mate, I like your website it reminds of the good old days of the internet which is why I'm a member, but just giving you a warning that you may lose this one.

[AmigaNG]

Right now we got that cleared up you know some of your mp3 might be....ho never mind.

[AmigaNG]

Release the damn stuff at a fair price  so that folk looking for it can easily purchase it and don't give me the  crap that you can legally buy it on Amiga Forever, why should someone  who has no use for Amiga Forever be forced to purchase that to obtain  just the Workbench disks or ROM images... :madashell:

Amiga Forever is a good program and I feel should be supported, ok it not an ideal way of getting roms and workbench disks and can understand your frustration if you are purchasing the programs for just the workbench disks, but would it help to know your supporting a long standing Amiga company, one of the last few Cloanto, you would help them improve their products, that they have actively supported Amiga shows and events in the past, they support amiga based competitions, give there software away to alot of amiga users and user groups for testing and review purchases and they even support the Kickstart replacement effort and other bounty's, which I find really odd as it will go directly agiest their business. So I say £30 or less is not much to pay to effectively get every AmigaOS 1.0 to 3.1 and a load of games and other extras, and to support one of the few remaining Amiga legacy software publishers still going.

Plus another question, why do you need the roms files? If people have a physical Amiga, there is no need for the Kickstart Rom files unless it for emulation.

[AmigaNG]

Release the damn stuff at a fair price  so that folk looking for it can easily purchase it and don't give me the  crap that you can legally buy it on Amiga Forever, why should someone  who has no use for Amiga Forever be forced to purchase that to obtain  just the Workbench disks or ROM images... :madashell:

Amiga Forever is a good program and I feel should be supported, ok it not an ideal way of getting roms and workbench disks and can understand your frustration if you are purchasing the programs for just the workbench disks, but would it help to know your supporting a long standing Amiga company, one of the last few Cloanto, you would help them improve their products, that they have actively supported Amiga shows and events in the past, they support amiga based competitions, give there software away to alot of amiga users and user groups for testing and review purchases and they even support the Kickstart replacement effort and other bounty's, which I find really odd as it will go directly agiest their business. So I say £30 or less is not much to pay to effectively get every AmigaOS 1.0 to 3.1 and a load of games and other extras, and to support one of the few remaining Amiga legacy software publishers still going.

Plus another question, why do you need the roms files? If people have a physical Amiga, there is no need for the Kickstart Rom files unless it for emulation.

[AmigaNG]

Plus I also forgot they are in a legal battle with Amiga Inc over the Workbench name and you know which company is hoping to get it, so even more reason to support them!

[AmigaNG]

Though for those whose machines refuse to boot anymore it is scandalous to expect them to pay for another copy of the ROM they already own.

Not really, if you had to get you Amiga repaired and running and replace the roms, you wouldn't expect to get the roms free would you? Plus I dont consider £10 scandalous, certainly not for all the roms and software you get. To buy just A1200 3.1 roms on their own cost £17 from Amigakit, so it not that bad, is it?

[AmigaNG]

Lets face it and be honest here, how many folks who bought Amiga Forever  to use on a PC had kept all their original (or even owned in the first  place) games and then cracked/converted them to ADFs to use with Amiga  Forever on their PC, not many I'd reckon...

Ok I would support you on that part of it, if the Roms and Workbench where not legally for sale any where then I would support and understand you position. Simple fact they are.

If you really want the Kickstart to be free and open you should support the Kickstart Replacement effort, like Cloanto have. http://www.power2people.org/projects/profile/6

Me I just give them away totally free and in fact it costs me money to run the site, so who's really the baddie here...

Do you intend to support Amiga shows, put money towards bounty's and help further develop Amiga emulation? With money Cloanto raise that is what they do. You may not think your doing anything wrong and provide a service that a lot of other people already provide, but I like Amiga Forever and its program and hope it continues to be developed, your efforts only hurt them efforts by cloanto.

[AmigaNG]

Why would I support Amiga Shows, there hasn't been in my neck of the woods for at least 15 years

Why would I support Amiga Emulation I don't use it and never will

You may like Amiga Forever but to me it's a program for PCs and I have no interest in PCs whatsoever, I've got nothing against Cloanto I bought and paid for PPaint a long, long time ago and I've even bought Amiga Forever about 2 years back when I was considering actually buying a PC until I came to my senses...

What I was trying to point out is that Cloanto is only able to support Amiga Shows, Amiga related bountys, Amiga Users, and future develop their software through sales of Amiga Forever and it roms, if your offering them for free, how do you expect them to contiue to support such areas?

On the question of support why do you not help to support Amiga.org  yourself by paying for a membership, I mean you use it often enough to  post your views so the least you could do is help support them..

Why, when the web site free, unlike the Roms.

I do like amiga,org and if it ever really needed money to say online I might help it out, and I have donated to a few bounty and bought a lot of games and attended a few amiga shows, hope to run amiga web site soon myself (out of my own money) and run a you tube account and planning to get an OS4 machine this year so I believe I support the Amiga community quite well thank you.


PS: Franko I dont want to get into a war with you over this, I do understand what you are saying, maybe you should ask Cloanto on if there could be somekind of soultion for users who just want to buy the Roms the workbench disks, but I think £30 is not much to ask for every AmigaOS from 1.0 to 3.0 and all the other extras your getting, you must of thought this your self at one point to buy Amiga Forever.

[AmigaNG]

just encase you missed it

Why, when the web site free, unlike the Roms
your very cleverly moving off topic, you can say I dont support the Amiga community, I dont care, but I dont hurt company by making Roms free, this is all I'm saying. This is my last post on the matter because I dont want to get into a long drawn out debate, and I half agree with what your saying. So it been fun, but I wont post again in this topic any way  I know when to quit before we get into name calling territory and saying he started, I started etc etc, I see too many threads like that on here already.