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[OlafS3]

I have a question. I just bought a AmigaX1000 and love it. I have been having great fun learning and playing with AmigaOS. It's quite different and I like it very much. With all the good news coming from A-Eon, like OctaMED, ImageFX, Aladdin4D, Personal Paint and the like. I find it more that a bit troubling that I cant send and only sometimes receive emails  (Simplemail). Is there a reason that there is not even one email client for amigaOS? Please don't tell me about YAM or Simple mail. YAM is pop only and I have not had a pop account in over 13 years. Simple mail? in beta for how many years??. I am sorry and disappointed to say it's pure garbage in it's current state. Even it's form, if it worked ok is not great for a program intended to be used for emailing more than once a day. I can't find one program to just send and receive email? Wow. I am hopeful that when the new developer kit for 4.1FE comes out and A-Eons GDB debugger some good things will happen. In the mean time it seems prudent to have the following first.

Web browser:  (Odyssey 1.23r3 is ok but needs lots of work and some updates)
Email clients:   None
A good native NGAmiga word processor:     not a rehash from 68k.  libereoffice will be cool for sure but we have what? half baked garbage as of now.
contact database: is there one    
calendar:   is there one?

After the basic stuff is covered then I would be more interested in things like Aladdin4d. Please dont miss read this. I have bought every program in amistore but a game or two. I have also donated over $300 usd in total for different projects and will spend over $1000 more during 2015. I will also spend money on just about everything on amistore that comes out. I am a big supporter of A-Eon and have over $5000 in my X1000 project and will also buy a X5000 when it comes out.

Lets get a modern full blown top shelf email client and go from there.

PS this is a problem for Morph and AROS as well. Does anyone want to make money out there? my checkbook is ready to pay you!!

I have just used Simplemail (68k) from within Aros Vision and it perfectly works (both sending and receiving). And it is not even a special version there, just the normal 68k version. So do not hit at Simplemail because Simplemail is not responsible. Perhaps the native version I do not know or your X1000 system has a problem. 68k Simplemail is working.

[OlafS3]

@kolla
I agree with all you said and it seems you are one of just a few that read my post. Thanks
guys YAM = no IMAP so it does not matter how good you say it is. I dont have a pop account!! so it is NOT an option.


@eliyahu
well illegal MUI stuff pops up all the time. Sometimes the inbox in nowhere to be found for a day or two. Locks up the OS 4 or 5 times a day. Look I could go on and on. It is a kindergarten 8 year still in beta, 101 baby email client  and a poor attempt of a program, bug ridden mess. on a scale of 1 to 10 it is a 0 at the very, very VERY!  best. I am very understanding that things are not so great with apps for AmigaOS4 and that is ok as long people are working to fix this. Trevor said at amiwest 2014 content, content and more content..

Smiplemail is at best %&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!8220;ok%&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!8221; if you are totaly unaware of the rest of the computer world and you judge Amiga programs on a much lower scale with low expectations to start with. Kind of like your friends laughing at your X1000 and the simple stuff it just cant do.  (something you said at amiwest) I am not trying to be offensive I just want good stuff as there is no reason but money that we have lots of crap and very fee gems

Again if there is team out there willing to do the work I will be first in line to pay$$$$. If we all do that someone WILL get it done.

1 email client that many, many people other than me have big problems with too. Lets stop  ourselves with pretending

i do not use the PPC OS4 version of Simplemail on X1000 so I cannot say anything about that but the 68k version works perfectly and I have never seen any problems. And I do not know what you expect now from a email client, it is certainly not outlook with appointments and so on but I can send and receive emails and I have contacts. If you want to play in the same league as Windows or MacOS or Linux then you are completely wrong. Then use Windows, Linux or MacOS.

[OlafS3]

The A1X1k is a hobbyist system for the AmigaOS 4.x hobby OS. If you find the hobby apps currently available for the hobby system are leaving you wanting, then hobby write the app you want, or wait until some hobby Amigan decides to hobby write one.

Alternatively ,you can post your grievances on a forum like this and get a whole bunch of people ignore what you wrote and recommend the thing you can't use, or tell you how they're not having the hobby problem you are having.

Good idea... why do YOU not write a new professional email-client for a couple of dollars (or zero) for him? You will make him happy.

[OlafS3]

I have a number of Amiga computers (about 14) and a Mac Mini with Morphos 3.7 with Similemail however it has the 1.1 fork and It works ok at the very best. Just to be clear the fact that a program works does NOT mean that it is a good program or even an adequate one.

When I bought a X1000 I did not expect it would do all the things another computer would do (I already own all them). I was 100 percent sure that it would NOT. That is not my point. There have been updates to MUI and I am sure there are other factors as well.. My point is there only 1 email client that does IMAP? All the reading and email I am getting show that half the people say it works and the other half say that have lots of problems with it, just like I do.

 My overall point is that it is hard to understand (like my title says) why I can get dozens and dozens of 2d scroll games and email is almost non existent. That to me is hard to understand.

My point also is lets start with the basic stuff people do with computers first... like email etc. I am willing to pay for this and would like to. The product needs to be made first and then sold and supported by people that want a good product for a fair price. With email I think it's safe to say AROS Morphos and AmigaOS all have that need in a big way. That is a good number of people with a need. I would like to see it filled and I would encourage developers to work on things like email and some of the other most basic things that are needed to push things forward. I for one will do my part and support it with my money.

So yes I have done some complaining and I think it is well warranted. I also hope that the complaining will encourage developers to work on products that appeal to most if not every amiga user. Last is my pledge to spend money for such products.

I dont think that is so unreasonable do you. Is this not what we all would like to see happen

Even if I assume that you (and some others) would be willing to spend for a modern email-client (whatever this is because I myself use something basic for that) and you would find someone willing and able to do it (and have the needed time) how much would it be? Perhaps you could setup a bounty with the requirement to update Simplemail or YAM and then wait how much will be donated and if there is any real interest for it. Simplemail works very good for me, why should I be for a new client? This way many others will think too. And regarding your problems from my experience in supporting PCs it more sounds like OS/hardware related than a software problem. Everything else works perfectly? Is internet connection running stable?

[OlafS3]

Because I'm not an Amiga hobbyist, duh.

And your answer is a bounty?! Really?! If that ain't a wait for a train that don't come.
The reason it would be nigh on impossible to raise $10,000 for something like a solid up-to-date email client would be because y'all are happy with your YAMs and your SimpleMails. Y'all have become too content with the lack of quantity and quality of software available on the hobby platform.
apsturk points this out and all y'all can do is say, "try YAM" or "SimpleMail works fine for me", i.e. "Try something older and less functional", or "The problem must be with you". That my friends is what a content group sounds like.

You might have also tried:
"Just use webmail"
"No one uses a desktop for email anymore, get a smartphone"
"Reinstall everything and try again"
"Maybe the problem is with your IMAP provider"

And as far as sales of the yet to be released X5000 and X3500, I'm willing to bet the porting of a Linux email client that 75% of individuals that buy those are X1000 owners. Not that they'll actually release sales and market figures.

it sounds not like a "content" group but a "realistic" group. For many years you can no longer earn money with developing amiga software (last remainders of the former commercial market vanished in about 2001) so we have what we have and all development is done by programmers in their spare time, in most cases for no money. The request sounded like "I have spend a professional amount of money on the hardware so I now expect professional software". *Whisper* a small secret, the developers have got nothing of the money, most got Varisys and then Aeon and Amigakit. If he wants to get new features then best would be to contact the active developers and ask for features and make a donation or make a bounty and a donation or do it himself. Sitting and saying "I would buy it if it would be not such crap" (it sounded like that) is hardly motivating anyone. He should know better.

[OlafS3]

@Lionheast

That doesn't expand the userbase, it just gives the existing base something to collect

By definition it sure does.

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Once again, try to convince someone outside the Amiga cult-like mentality to buy a $3000 computer with 10+ year old technology to run an operating system like OS4 when they can buy a more useful and more powerful computer running Windows or MacOS for less than half that price

You are chatting with that person now, me!

Nobody is forced to buy the expensive hardware. It is (and was) no secret what you get and there were enough threads with "troll" discussions where people exactly said that. That AmigaOS has basically the same software as the other camps is no real secret either so I am a little wondering what you are now discussing about. If you want a existing version improved with certain feature(s) then get in contact with active devs then show your interest and make perhaps a donation. To put the software in mud is not really helping and saying "I would buy something if it is not such crap" is not helping either. Brandnew commercial quality applications for 1000-2000 users will not happen and paid work is unrealistic (except everyone would pay hundreds of dollars for it). So live with what is there and show support there or leave it.