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Re: Is Natami Vapourware?
« on: May 17, 2011, 04:22:00 PM »
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There are working physical prototypes
If they had fully working boards, they would release it, don't you think?

I don't think you quite get the meaning of "prototypes."  :hammer:

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Re: Is Natami Vapourware?
« Reply #1 on: May 17, 2011, 06:18:37 PM »
Quote from: digiflip;638396
who uses floppys in 2011, guess you ain't heard of flash drives and sd cards etc.

Yes, I've heard of those things you mention.  :)
For my retro computers, I use floppies frequently.
I use whdload also, but that's in addition to the floppies...

Just for the nostalgia...

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Re: Is Natami Vapourware?
« Reply #2 on: May 17, 2011, 07:30:20 PM »
Quote from: takemehomegrandma;638426
OK, if having a *not* fully working prototype, and *not* having the thing publicly available means that something isn't to be consider vapor

You have to realize, every product ever goes through this phase.
All products have a period of time where they have working but not complete versions but aren't publically available yet..
Everything..

A product is vapor when it isn't going to be released...
That means that, while there are "questions" about if it will ever be released (assuming the company doesn't say "It's dead Jim"), people have to decide if it is vapor.
In commercial products, this is usually a relatively short timeframe, depending on the complexity of the product.

In these smaller run products, it's trickier still...

One of the main qualifiers for many people is progress..
If there is active news showing progress (albeit slow), most people won't consider it vapor.
Both Natami and FPGAArcade have shown progress recently, and as such are generally not considered vapor.

Now, you could say, as news was slow for a long time, that it was perfectly acceptable to claim Natami WAS vapor, and now is back in development (i.e. Duke 3D Forever)....
It did appear (from the outside) to be stalled, at least until we actually started seeing demo videos of the hardware and it actually working..

IMHO

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Re: Is Natami Vapourware?
« Reply #3 on: May 17, 2011, 09:15:15 PM »
Quote from: digiflip;638463
ok so when Natami is still not being sold outside Natami Team Members in 10 years time. It can then be considered vapourware lol.
I know you were being sarcastic, but of course.. ;-)

In fact, now that they have shown hardware and progress, I would think people would be seriously throwing around the vapor word if there isn't something in less than a year..

However, if it's just about being sold outside the team, I'm sure if you offered them enough money, they'd sell you a board now... :)

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Re: Is Natami Vapourware?
« Reply #4 on: May 17, 2011, 11:35:04 PM »
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(Can't touch this.. prototype)

Was I the only one who just had an M.C. Hammer flashback???
:)

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Re: Is Natami Vapourware?
« Reply #5 on: May 18, 2011, 08:32:10 PM »
Quote from: digiflip;638762
...if you ever want to come to present time...
Personally, I have nothing against the present time.
I work there, and spend some of my evenings there infrequently..

Then I come home to the past..  :roflmao:

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