New Hyperion Entertainment Website http://a-eon.com/ - The Mystery Continues

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Actually, If you write xeon, this is what you get : "For all I know, you're spot on. Unfortunately, being a weak and feeble piece of Javascript, I didn't understand. Sorry."

Well, just tried again with another answer... same reply. Sorry.

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[Hell Labs]

I'd actually really like it if they'd let us run OS4 on anything with a ppc and supply our own drivers. If someone had made that decision in the 90s we wouldn't be in this situation, and it's not too late now. I can get a G3 mac that'll keep up with the first round of amigaones performance wise for £40. All this farting about pretending the amiga will ever be a hardware platform again is a joke, and they need to swallow their pride before it kills them. And us.

That said, if they throw in An amiga Keyboard and mouse, and maybe (long shot) have an amiga branded Monitor available they can have my money faster than i'll earn it. Any chance of a desktop case? I'll throw a fat CRT on it and be old school again.

[Hell Labs]

Yeah, but getting the buggers to actually do it is the hard bit. PPC apps can be ran the same way 68k is on a PPC, but getting 68K running on x86 is apparently hard. And Porting AmigaOS without the Amiga software is pointless, you might as well throw in the towel and make a whole new OS.

[Hell Labs]

..or use one of the already existing and well-supported ones!

This.


This is how {bleep} the Amiga platform is. Yet we stick around anyway. Are we insane? Overly loyal? Hell, I was born a couple of years before the amiga died anyway, why am I even here?


Well, it's a kind of cool system and the demoscene amazes me. And I can't go outside because we're a foot and a half under the snow and I have to use a hairdryer to get a drink.

Why are you guys here? Spock is fascinated.

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I wouldnt be an "intel fanboy", but I am a realist.

x86 / x64 is the only way.

The OS is going to have to be rewritten at some stage.

Might as well start now...

Thinking about it, They could break compatibility with existing software and add memory protection/security/accounts without a total rewrite. Then they could have the old OS4 running in an emulator transparently.

Unlike apple, they could do this because (i'm assuming) They actually bothered to document the code, and there isn't the whole singletasking-no-wait-shoehorn-cooperative-multitasking-oh-look-it-crashes-what-a-surprise-insert-a-nanokernel-pointlessly-still-crashes-oh-sod-it-rename-NeXTStep-instead problem to deal with.

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If only more people could understand that it's Aros that needs to be backed up. Aros have fought the up hill battle for so long and finally it starts to feel like a modern Amiga. I don't want Aros to be "Amiga" I don't need the name, I just need the feeling. I want Aros to be "just Aros" an Amiga inspired OS.

You won't see Amiga OS4 on x86 ever (ok in my life time then), that's why I lost interest in OS4 ages ago. I refuse to pay for overpriced hardware that is overpriced only because it's produced in so small quantities that it makes it expensive. What's the point in that ? I might as well give that 400 euros (only a guess) extra  I pay directly to a developer instead or to a bounty to gain something software wise. That would be better.

I tried AROS/icaros desktop several times, last time was about three weeks ago. It was balls. Whoever made that skin and icon pack needs to be led out back and shot. 3.1 code compatibility isn't there yet, it can't naively run 68k or ppc apps and probably won't ever, and the list of non-iMica hardware for it is about the same size as a receipt from kfc.

AROS would be great if somebody put some money behind it. Nobody has. So it's the worst amiga system there is. It's literally better to steal an old PC out of a skip and put WinUAE on it.

[Hell Labs]

Does this mean you're not gonna buy a x1000 system and develop useless demo programs for the XCore embedded processor?

As if anyone will develop anything useful for that waste of Bakelite and silicon.

[Hell Labs]

Conversation going back to how it's all Commodore managements fault in 3...2...1...



Right then, Can we go back to speculation about what the machine will actually be like when we get to buy it?

[Hell Labs]

*sticks fingers in ears*

So What do you think the chances of an amiga keyboard coming out are?

[Hell Labs]

Interesting comments.

Late last year I sold my 4.1 system. While it was seriously fun to be able to run Workbench on such super fast hardware natively as a 1 GHz G4 the whole machine lacked purpose. And I hate to own "stuff" that do not fill a purpose so I sold it.

Thats why I hoped for x86 port of AmigaOS4.1, run it on cheap hardware.

How dumb I was.

AmigaOS x86 was before my eyes all the time: AROS

I suppose you could have sold your regular computer and used the amiga instead. I spent most of 2008 using nothing but a G3 era iMac (one of the SLOW ones) and OS 9.2 and I got used to it. To be honest there was nothing I couldn't do apart from play modern games, and I regret building my uberpc instead of keeping the money. Funnily enough I still think OS9 beats windows 7 in every way imaginable.

Slim to none :-)

Ahh, 'tis a shame.

[Hell Labs]

Suppose PPC will be fine for us for a while then, so long as we don't mind only low and low-mid end hardware. If the next gen consoles use something else other than PPC there'll be no steam behind the architecture, and we'll be buggered. again.

Excuse me while I fire up the time machine and rob a bank to fund escom.

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If we're bringing in time machines, I'd make sure IBM rather than Gateway gets the spoils after Escom.. then twist whatever arms I need to, to have the amiga OS released as open source as soon as damn possible, and lean back and see what the world can come up with

Sod that, I'm going back to the pet era and making sure the Commodore 8-bit machines are all compatible and expandable like an apple ][, that MOS tech develops the 6502 up to present day, and that the amiga is properly developed and marketed. No stupid crap like the C64gs, cdtv, cd32, or A600 neither. MOS Tech would develop 68k processors...

Im aiming to have the computer industry split between Apple macintosh, Apple ][, NeXT, C64 successors, Acorn risc and Amiga. William Gates was mysteriously found dead in an alley after a deal to write altair basic went badly wrong.

Assuming that commodore's fate is unavoidable, escom would be the priority.

Now all I need is a 1980s irish sports car.

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To be honset I want to know WHY the old amigas are so expensive. Every one of it's peers is £10-30 on ebay or the like, yet we pay around £100 for one somebody kept the box for. madness. Though I guess the 1200 and 4000 staying current all the way up to 2004? though I guess a with late 90s early 2000s amiga setup, "1200" is more of a vague description than a model number.

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You never know, they could be using surplus components from other companies that don't need or want them any more...

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X1000 isn't an Amiga, Hyperion don't have a license for that brand.....

Who told you? Hyperion have a perpetual, free, worldwide licence to pretty much anything amiga. Can't get mugh more "Amiga" than that.