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Re: Thendic holding Amiga licence and patents?
« on: November 25, 2002, 03:53:26 AM »
Of all the different instances of alleged FUD here and at ANN, this is actually a textbook example of what *real* FUD looks like.  bPlan/Thendic makes a statement that sounds like it could mean something ("We have an Amiga license") and posts it to a discussion site known to attract people with extreme opinions (ANN).  When all the dialog starts ("so what exactly does that mean?") they just sit back and watch the zealots from both sides slug it out.  If enough people demand more info, they just make cryptic statements ("just read paragraph 4.2 of this document that only 5 or 6 people are legally allowed to look at") .  Eventually enough noise is generated that Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt creep in as a natural side-effect.

Gotta hand it to these guys, they took a market leader (Microsoft), analyzed what put them at the top of the foodchain (all the court transcripts are freely available on the web) and got to work.

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Re: Thendic holding Amiga licence and patents?
« Reply #1 on: November 25, 2002, 07:43:51 AM »
@bbrv:

First, why the smiley next to my hometown? yes, most people familiar with computers know that Microsoft has its offices here.  But if I look across the street from my apartment I can see Nintendo's offices, right next to Digipen, the videogame school.  Walk a bit and you can see S3's offices.  Drive half an hour (not an unreasonable commute) and I'm in Bill McEwen's office.  You have no idea if I'm even employed right now, the recession hit this state pretty hard.  You are using innuendo to try and discredit me ("oh no, he lives right next to the Beast - he obviously works there, probably in the 'crush the competition' division"), and I don't appreciate this.

Secondly, here is a cut'n'paste of your post at ann.lu:

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Here is something for you all to consider...;-)

Thendic (and all affiliated companies) hold a valid worldwide right and license to Amiga DE, the "Amiga" patents, and all associated copyrights and trademarks. This Agreement was signed between ourselves and Bill McEwen on 10 November 2000. The Agreement remains in effect today.

Who knows what the future could hold?!

Best regards,

Raquel and Bill


So, what *exactly* does that mean?  If you say something like "we have rights to use these licenses, so we plan on doing ", that's an announcement.   The announcement is whatever you're planning, the licenses are just a means to an end.  Simply saying that you have the licenses is a means without an end.  This does not make sense so most people will try and imagine what that end is.  If those people are the ann crowd (not that I have anything against them, but they *are* excitable), you end up with all sorts of weird theories and misinformation flying around.  Add to that the tone of the message, ie "we have a signed contract, so we can use the name 'amiga' whether you want us to or not'" and you are guaranteed an 100+ post thread.  Lots of bad stuff flying around and your hands are completely clean - you just made an innocent little post, it was all those other people who blew it out of proportion.

Next, the paragraph you keep on mentioning - I bet that you'd get in trouble if you just posted it here, since it's probably confidential.  If so, why mention it? if you feel you must make a response on the forum do so, but keep 'secret' stuff to private mails (post something like "Bill, I believe you're incorrect - see the personal mail I sent you").  Anything else is more speculation waiting to happen.

To finish my little rant, here is Bill McEwen's reply to your post on ann:

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In Reply to Comment 17:
I am sorry to report that the statements made here are very misleading and incorrect.

The contract mentioned was for AmigaDE on Windows CE. It does not in ANY way have anything to do with patents, or our IP.

Amiga, Inc. is the only holder of our IP

Regards,

Bill McEwen


Please stop trying to use the 'court of public opinion'.  If you have something you're working on, sort it out with the relevant parties in private and *then* make an announcement.  If you're genuinely trying to bridge the two camps then I apologize, but your current attempts at online diplomacy are causing more harm than good.
 

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Re: Thendic holding Amiga licence and patents?
« Reply #2 on: November 25, 2002, 11:45:21 PM »
Interesting...

Bbrv, if it turns out that you are really allowed to post the contract (check with your lawer first!), you can post the relevant paragraphs (briefly explaining why they support your claims - we don't all read Lawyerese!) and I'll eat my words about you making "cryptic statements".  If it will help make the situation clearer (regardless of who's "right" or "wrong") then I'm all for it.
 

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Re: Thendic holding Amiga licence and patents?
« Reply #3 on: November 26, 2002, 03:38:35 AM »
He probably has some weird love-hate fetish thing going.  He can't stand it (can't even bring himself to type "amiga", it has to be "the name"), yet he is irresistibly drawn towards it...

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Re: Thendic holding Amiga licence and patents?
« Reply #4 on: November 26, 2002, 08:22:54 AM »
@Kaminari:

What *did* happen to the Atari community?  (this is not a wind-up, I'm really curious. Seems like they went away at about the same time as Commodore, and I never did find out why).
 

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Re: Thendic holding Amiga licence and patents?
« Reply #5 on: November 26, 2002, 09:06:28 AM »
Hmmm - from their "desktop.inf" (news) section:

"Another year has passed and the life of the ST seems to be as strong as ever. While emulation in general has faded from mainstream interest, the dedicated few still release and update new versions of their software."

Seems like they've reached the point we were headed for just a few months ago.  Let that be a warning, people - if we blow this (by which I mean AmigaOne/Pegasos/AmigaOS/Morphos), this time next year we could be reading this at the front page of amiga.org:

"Another year has passed and the life of the Amiga seems to be as strong as ever. While emulation in general has faded from mainstream interest, the dedicated few still release and update new versions of their software."

Scary, isn't it? :-o