Will you be buying an AmigaOne X1000 ?

[Piru]

It's a relief to be able to associate amiga and quality in the same sentence together.

Isn't that a bit premature, considering the product isn't even out yet? Or what are you basing this "quality" association on?

I don't associate "quality" with AmigaONE, quite the opposite actually.

[Piru]

wrong for you to mention AmigaOne in the broader sense after all the previous models were made by someone else

They deliberately use the "AmigaONE" name with it. This means that it will be associated with the previous models, regardless who will be making it. If they would have wanted to make a break from the past they easily could have.

So until they've actually managed to get some end user products out there's only the ealier AmigaONE experiences to go by. Which weren't exactly smooth sailing to put it lightly.

I would hope for a release by December.  *fingers crossed*

I would consider it remarkable if the beta boards would be delivered by end of the year.

[Piru]

And all that is written "no," I want to say - you are enemies of amiga platform.

Oh dear.

Developers spent a lot of funds and time

Yes.

that would create a new, relatively competitive platform

No. Whichever way you look at it, it sure isn't competitive.

and you can't spend some money once in 2-3 years to upgrade the computer on your favorite platform?

"some money". You're kidding right?

I even say that it is not so much a question of buying a new motherboard, how to support the development amiga as platform altogether. I believe that everyone who is connected with Amiga, must somehow try to help in its development.

Regardless what you might want to think AmigaOS4 isn't the whole amiga platform, there are many other interesting developments and products to buy. Many don't consider AmigaOS4 any more amiga than the alternatives. So, why should anyone feel obliged to pay for something they don't consider worthy?

Just because someone is stupid enough to create a product that is hideously expensive and that has very tiny market doesn't mean we should be saving them from their own stupidity. Create a product that is reasonably priced with great balance of features and people will buy it.

[Piru]

I understand that to create a product that is comparable in complexity to a modern motherboard, the cheaper it is impossible.
Why do you think otherwise?

What makes you think I think otherwise? I don't.

There are examples of cheap motherboards that were released in small batches?

There are none.

Which is kind of my point. That's why it is pure madness to try build new custom powerpc hardware. It will be hideously expensive, with little to no support and after couple of years once the manufacturer is gone there will be no way to get repairs or spare parts. It just doesn't make any sense.

[Piru]

Moana support only PPC mac? No way, it's deadlock. No more PPC mac hardware.

PPC Mac will be around for much longer than X1000 ever can. PPC Mac will have spare parts and repairs available for much longer than X1000 ever can.

It's just raw numbers. Millions of PPC Macs were sold. Even in the most optimistic scenarios X1000 will never be able to break a few thousand.

[Piru]

So Piru's answer is not even bother trying?

No, I mean there are better ways to do it rather than banging your head against the custom ppc hw wall.

piru replied: No. Whichever way you look at it, it sure isn't competitive.

Lacking in some big areas yes, but the OS looks fairly up to par in the most important of areas:

* Program Launcher
* File Exploration
* Networking between Macs and PCs
* Internet, FTP, Email
* Desktop and Gui preferences etc

You must be kidding. AmigaOS4 is somewhere around late 90s in those areas. Not even close to what can be expected by average user these days. Workbench is outdated as hell and file exploration with it is quite awful, setting up file shares is extremely painful, there's no flash, browser situation is quite bleak (maybe NetSurf will come to rescue, OWB for OS4 is dead, Timberwolf is useless for any real world usage for now). Email clients are very basic and crude. Preferences are incoherent mess.

[Piru]

@ajlwalker
In 1989 you got the state of the art system with ton of useful software and games that was no-where to be found on other platforms. The HW was revolutionary and unique, as well as the operating system (for personal computers). The whole setup performed really well against the system of the time, too.

This isn't the case with X1000. X1000 was already ageing technology when it was planned. There are no software titles or games that would justify it either.

Even if you forget all that the PC systems were even more expensive back in 1989. In 2011 you can get probably at least 4-8 better performing PCs with the price (depending on how DYI you'll go).

[Piru]

Mac PPC is an old hardware and it does not develop, even if ppc ia a lot. If you go to the mac PPC now, what to do in 2-3 years?

I'll still run my favorite amigoid OS on the PowerBook 1.67GHz laptop and multi-GHz Power Mac G5. Why?

Amigaos need new hardware, which would be developed, albeit slowly. Transition to a mac is good in the short term and very bad in the future.

I don't agree. The volumes are so small that it makes no sense whatsoever to try to make your own custom HW. What you need to do is to port your OS to whatever suitable PowerPC hardware there is. There is no way that AmigaOS alone can drive dekstop PowerPC further.

[Piru]

Gawd... It amazes me why some of the folk who post on this site are even here at all...

It's called Amiga.org, the name should give you a clue !!!

It's not called Mac.org, PC.org or AnythingButAmiga.org...

If you want to talk about such things then go to an appropriate site where you can happily express your biased views.

This site should be about the Amiga, not those pretend Amiga users who only run an emulator, who want to harp on about macs & pc's and like nothing more than trying to put down 80s & 90s hardware, cos it doesn't match their expectations of what todays hardware is capable of...

Get A life... :rolleyes:

amiga.org is free for all, and I think you should really consult the "Site Information and Policies" link at the bottom of the page if you still don't get it. These forums are meant for discussion. If you don't like it, you can always leave and find some other forums that will ban free speech.

If you don't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen.

As for "trying to put down 80s & 90s hardware, cos it doesn't match their expectations of what todays hardware is capable of", I really don't understand what you're talking about.

[Piru]

No Piru, I don't think I'm forgetting any of that, especially when I said:

"Now, I am happy to admit that the B2000 was ahead of the competition on ability and price, and the X1000 isn't......."

Hm right. Sorry about that, missed it somehow.

[Piru]

I agree it is sensible to port to what hardware is available, but what do you do in the future? Where next for MorphOS for example?

Short term Power Macs and Mac laptops.

Will you be porting to PS3 or XBOX360? What other mass produced PPC hardware is out there after the end of PPC Macs?

It remains to be seen. Maybe something will come along or maybe not. One possibility is to migrate to other mainstream platforms. At least we're not financially ruined for spending hundreds of thousands of euros trying to build custom PowerPC HW, nor have we spent the crucial development resources on yet another miniscule platform.

[Piru]

And why the PC has become so cheap now?

Due to circumstances that cannot be repeated in today's world. The market is way too saturated these days for any new small player to bring anything really new and revolutionary to to playground. Even if you tried you'd be ground to dust in seconds by the large megacorporations, or just bought out and the good parts being incorporated in their own products.

The best you can do is to try concentrate on the software and run in on someone else's HW. You can build a reasonable niche there, still.

[Piru]

If the X1000 does manage to built some momentum and shift a couple of thousand units, I wonder if you'd consider a port of MorphOS to it?

No. Mostly because the platform is so obscure it would require tons of resources to get things running. The modern PPC Macs are quite similar to each other which makes things a lot easier.

Secondly most will have gotten the system for specific reason: To run OS4. Not many would be willing to pay over 100 eur for another OS.

Thirdly: Ben Hermans. You can't expect MorphOS developers to get involved with anything even remotely related to this person.

[Piru]

The original question asked by orb85750 was :-
'Will you be buying an AmigaOne X1000 ?'

Well, if it still is unclear to anyone: No, I am not buying one of these things.

Besides I already have a dual 2.5GHz G5 system to play with. I paid 300 eur for it.

[Piru]

Come on. This is not fair and not true. OWB is getting updated every 2 month or so.

Didn't you get the memo? Joerg quit on OWB.

And Timberwolf will arrive before X1000 hits the shelves

Considering both Friedens are busy with OS4 itself I find that very hard to believe. Unless of course if X1000 release is postponed for a couple of years?

Workbench is a great file manager and neither mac nor PC offer anything better. You might be ignoring that most people on Windows use a norton commander clone?

That's just ridiculous. Workbench is stuck to WB2 era basically. Things have moved on elsewhere.

And Preferences are OK if you ignore the skinning and MUI-crap.

I disagree.