How is OS4 ?

[Piru]

ain't there a TOS here?

Huh you didn't read it?

http://www.amiga.org/index.php?pageid=posting_guidelines

[Piru]

@Piru
And maybe you forgot it

If you're accusing me of something, come up with direct claims without these games. Thanks in advance.

[Piru]

And what happens if you need to press 2 and disable the accelerator for some old game?

Nothing?

And what happens if you need to boot from some other partion for some reason and it does not have SFS? I want to be able to access the old boot partition as well.

Nothing? Why wouldn't you able to access the old boot partition? Do you know how RDB works?

I assume it was part of the OS?

It wasn't.

All the VMM applications I used on AmigaOS 3 sucked badly.

VMM worked just fine, although I disabled since I had all the RAM I could ever dream of anyway. It was a nice toy though, over 1GB ram... yay.

There is a reason almost noone used VMM on AmigaOS 3.

Yes. The lack of applications actually needing huge amounts of RAM.

On AmigaOS 4, VMM is part of the OS. It's transparent. I hardy see anyone turning it off. Its a nice plus. I prefer to have it, and it works.

Whatever suits you. I prefer having enough physical memory instead.

Not as good as Miami.

Debatable. AmiTCP/IP is way faster than Miami for instance (upto 30%). Miami(Dx) also crashes in some unexpected and random ways, while AmiTCP/IP is just rock solid.

GrimReaper helps the developers by being included in the OS.

Sure. I did't claim SmartCrash was included, I just pointed out that the functionality is nothing new, and AmigaOS 3.x has had it for ages.

It's easy for AmigaOS 3.0 to run Windows binaries, but this is only in theory.

Err? What has running x86 binaries have to do with creating a normal amiga shared library? There is nothing theoretic about it. Numerous libraries use this method and they work just fine. In practice.

[Piru]

@Piru
I don't think that keep on doing heavy OT even after a moderator politely asked to quit it is part of the TOS

Where am I OT exactly?

[Piru]

@Piru
You should have been an AmigaOS developer

I was asked actually, I declined. No, I am not going to go into details.

Oh, and I am a MorphOS developer btw, for almost 10 years now.

[Piru]

@Britelite
i'll have to disagree there, thanks to RunInUae a new app, we get seamless OCS/AGA integration in AOS4, this include disks, HD installations and WHDLoads.

Is that included with the OS? If not, why not? Doesn't Hyperion have all the rights to do that now?

And since we agreed that comparisons are okay, yes, MorphOS does have that same functionality (obviously 3rd party product, and you need to provide the Kickstart ROM by yourself). You can easily run amiga games by just doubleclicking the adf.

[Piru]

From reports everywhere Sam's 800Mhz version run faster than the 667Mhz EP even with no cache at all, but you might be happy to know that the faster CPU in the 460EX DOES have L1+L2  cache (all the better).

Unfortunately even the 460 won't include the Altivec unit. Altivec is essential for things such as multimedia acceleration.

[Piru]

AmigaOS utilities do far more than doubleclicks on ADFs

Such as?

[Piru]

Considering that any Amiga app runs quite fast on my SamFlex (including Timberwolf) I can only imagine it will run faster on the 460EX and it might be very good for many

Could be, but with the altivec unit it would get a nice boost and thus much more value for the buck. It's a shame really.

There are some other peculiar design choices in this Sam HW which I don't quite understand (for instance the sharing of some PCI-E lanes), but I suppose the demands of the embedded customers set some rules. It's very hard if not impossible to make a profit by creating and selling HW to the amiga market alone, so I guess ACube has to do it to just keep afloat.

[Piru]

Opening classic apps and let it access AOS volume for data sharing, double click on WHDLoads and HD installations "transported" directly from classic (an A2000 in my case) no further action required, packing of multy disk games in a single file so that you just double click on it, and other amenities.
I don't know if MOS has utilities to do the same, but since you only mentioned double click on ADFs, I listed some different possible operations.

I think all of those work with the MorphOS solution, with the exception of the single archive multidisk thing (but maybe that has been added as well, I haven't kept track of that thing lately).

That being said, the overwhelmingly most common use case is clicking the adf file. That's why I only mentioned it.

[Piru]

Okay, good answers to the questions. Probably you don't have experience with these, but I have and I know there are problems.

I didn't have any problems myself. Well maybe they've made it more user friendly? If they have that's certainly a good thing.

Piru, it seems when your OS of choise don't have VMM, nobody shall use it, even with that machine with only 128MB of RAM?

MorphOS had a virtual memory solution at some point, but it proved way too slow, complex and problem prone to be worth it. If you get an EFIKA you obviously have to live with the limited amount of memory. Even if you'd add a virtual memory solution it'd be really slow on EFIKA due to limited I/O performance. Latest MorphOS release does include some changes to make more memory available for the applications, however.

My machine have only 256 MB RAM.

Why's that? All my systems have minimum 1GB.

VMM came in handly when I compiled the SAM Coupe emulator.

Hmm? AmigaOS4 would run out of 256MB memory when compiling? That's odd. Is it because of the memory fragmentation or what?

For image processing VMM is even more handy.

Most certainly with such low amount of memory. Personally I'd just rather upgrade the memory than suffer the speed penalty of the swapping.

Also, you deliberately skipped some of my points, but seeing that your OS of choise lacks them, it is quite understandable

Weren't we comparing against AmigaOS 3.x? I skipped the entries where AmigaOS 4 obviously has an edge.

If we go for MorphOS comparison there's very little OS4 does better, while MorphOS beats OS4 most of the time, as proven by impartial 3rd party benchmarks.

[Piru]

But you missed to admit that AmigaOS 4 have obvious advantage in these areas.

I assumed that if I didn't give any counterargument it'd be kind of implicit.

MorphOS is off-topic!

MorphOS is OS of my choice, not AmigaOS 3.x. Misunderstanding there I guess.

[Piru]

@drHirudo

No. My initial comparasion was against AmigaOS 3.x. Then you said that nobody shall need VMM, and I pointed situations, when it will come handy. I assumed why you said that VMM is in no use - because your OS of choice lacks it. You confirmed it and confirmed the OS of your choice. I don't see misunderstading here.

But earlier:

Also, you deliberately skipped some of my points, but seeing that your OS of choise lacks them

So applying double standards is a normal argument tool for you. Well it isn't for me. I find this method intellectually dishonest.