How is OS4 ?

[Piru]

How many plugins are available for OWB, compared to Firefox?

MorphOS OWB: 1 *
OS4 Timberwolf: 0

We are talking about plugins here, the ones you can check with about:plugins right?

[Piru]

Check the generic meaning of plug-in, then see the context of my question to find out what I was referring to.

Varthall

In a generic meaning OS4 still can't play youtube in a browser.

[Piru]

I don't think this changes the number of plug-ins available for Firefox.

Varthall

The number of plug-ins for certain platform has nothing to do with Firefox. NSAPI plug-ins are generic and either they're available for certain platform or they're not. These plug-ins commonly include flash, java and various media players. Porting Firefox for your platform doesn't give you these plug-ins.

As far as I can tell OS4 has 0 NSAPI plug-ins. Please educate me if I'm wrong.

[Piru]

Check again the context where I have used the word "plug-in", and see if its meaning was meant to be about "NSAPI plugins" or a more generic use of "plug-in" as in "software add-on".

It helps to use the correct terms.

But yeah OWB for MorphOS does offer some extensions such as "userscript manager". It's greasemonkey-like (javascript to modify webpages on the fly). Very useful stuff, it can be used to perform all kind of useful tricks, such as fixing the ever changing youtube full screen mode.

OWB also has a Web Inspector extension functionality which is very useful when writing your own web pages.

Adblock extension functionality is built-in as well.

Which leaves exactly one extension that I'd like to have, but which isn't really essential: Tamper Data.

As for downloading stuff: OWB does just fine with the Download manager (built-in). I understand OS4 users though, download manager must seem very advanced technology considering OS4 OWB still doesn't include one (?).

[Piru]

Still I don't think that it reaches the number, and the immediate availability of useful add-ons for Firefox to make a port of firefox not worth.

I use Iceweasel on Debian GNU/Linux and Firefox on Mac OS X daily. There are no extensions that I'd need for the OWB. The most important extensions (adblock, web inspector, greasemonkey) are already covered. Obviously this is personal taste and need, there's no denying that Firefox has an extensive add-on library. I just can't think of any of them I'd need desperately.

Many other users have many wishes, e.g. OWB for MOS doesn't have the plug-in I use on Timberwolf.

Quite possibly. My imagination is too narrow though ;-)

Does that mean that OWB has all the functions available on DownloadHelper integrated, i.e. supporting the download of video and audio from the same number of supported sites, and optional on the fly video-video or video-audio conversion?

Not that I know of. [EDIT] But as Fab says getvideo could easily be added to context menu [/EDIT]

Then again OS4 Timberwolf requires some work to be actually useful as the daily browser. And even if it does reach maturity at some point it still lacks basic features such as flash.

Meanwhile MorphOS users can enjoy full experience with a mature OWB browser, with flash and well working html5. So in that sense MorphOS still reigns, regardless of the Timberwolf alpha.

[Piru]

What you fail to understand is that most new users coming back (like myself) do it for passion not for Price/Features/ ratios

People like me (back-comers from the commodore days) think of Amiga as the one and only Official Amiga Operative System running on custom computers specifically made for it

Speak for yourself. I very much doubt you're the template of most back-comers. With attitude like that there would be no OS4 today at all.

I'd say most potential newcomes/back-comers have an open mind and are willing to look beyond the narrow scope of The Official Solution(TM). Amiga.org is a forum where all platforms are given equal chance.

I do think that this thread has gone a bit off topic though, but IMHO incorrect or inaccurate statements need to be corrected regardless of the original topic.

[Piru]

Another damn Thread destroyed by MorphOS try hard recruiters

Destroyed? It seemed like a honest discussion to me. It seems to me as if some wouldn't want that to happen, and try their best to drag the discussion down the the gutter.

So how is OS4? OS4 does have it's merits and problems. The best measuring stick happens to be... MorphOS. I only see it as natural that such threads as this would include discussion about how OS4 compares to MorphOS.

[Piru]

@Piru

Not actually, the guy only wants to know about OS4 (and he specified that) moreover if this comparison it's so dear to you why don't you start a new thread with that topic?

That would have been a good idea probably. Search finds such threads, too:
Comparative between AmigaOS 4.1 and MorphOS 2.3 on Pegasos II

In fact the earlier thread about MorphOS (by runequest himself) expicitly asked for such comparison against OS4:
http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?p=563660

So why not comparison against MorphOS when he asks about OS4? (My guess is that he knew it would trigger certain people who think that posting about MorphOS to any thread about OS4 is sacrilege and that they'd go bonkers, dragging the thread to the gutter. Oh, wasn't that exactly what happened here?)

That's what Fairlanefastback (Mod) suggests at AW when this happens.

Sure, except that this isn't aw.net.

[Piru]

@tone007

:roflmao:

[Piru]

Leave us alone, go back to morphzone

You're trying to prove my point really hard, aren't you?

[Piru]

Maybe he didn't like that thread and wanted to just hear about OS4

Could be, but reading that thread doesn't give me that impression.

I welcome any conversation about OS4 in this thread, of course. This is after all the main topic.

[Piru]

http://obligement.free.fr/articles/amigaos41_vs_morphos23.php is pretty good comparison I'd say. Running on the same HW and all.

[Piru]

1. No boot partition size limit. No more 4GB partition Hard Disk limit crap. I know this was fixed with some patches in AmigaOS 3.5 and 3.9, but if you needed to boot without Startup-Sequence, it can destroy your boot partition if it is bigger than 4GB. I know a friend who had 24 partitions in a 100GB hard drive. Painful to sort.

For instance Phase5 products all support 64bit directly, so there are no such issues. Works even with KS 3.0.

2. No more FastFileSystem crap. You can use SFS for boot partition on AmigaOS 4.

You can use SFS boot partition with AmigaOS 3.x as well. Actually you really should use PFS3 with AmigaOS 3.x though (it's becoming freeware, too) :-)

3. Virtual Memory. No more usage of simple and dangerous to the system MMU hacks.

Whether virtual memory is dangerous or not depends on the applications you run. VMM worked just fine even with KS 3.0 and 68030 already.

4. No more need for third party software to connect to the Internet.

AmigaOS 3.9 includes AmiTCP/IP, but admittedly with a questionable license.

7. GrimReaper - if a program is not stripped, the Grim tells a lot about the reasons for the message to appear. This is very handy for developers. On AmigaOS 3.9 I used MMULib/MuTools and MuForce (Enforcer alike program), but the GRIM is much much better.

SmartCrash provided the functionality years ago already for AmigaOS 3.x. Okay it wasn't included with the OS, I admit. But there's nothing special about Grim Reaper itself.

10. No more need to put commodities and programs in WBStartup and manage AmigaOS startup with hacks like WBStartup/Enabled and WBStartup/Disabled or similar. The new startup modules management is very nice.

I remember reading some stark criticism about this new system, too.

12. SObjects - shared objects. Some programs use them. Additional plus of AmigaOS 4.

It's easy to create normal amiga shared libraries with per caller data. bsdsocket.library is a common example, every AmigaOS 3.x installation with a networking installed has such library installed. The added bonus is that you don't need to load the code in memory for every caller, like you have to with AmigaOS 4 SObjects.

[Piru]

ain't there a TOS here?

Huh you didn't read it?

http://www.amiga.org/index.php?pageid=posting_guidelines

[Piru]

@Piru
And maybe you forgot it

If you're accusing me of something, come up with direct claims without these games. Thanks in advance.